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Sokarhacd Ball and Chain Trooper Resistance is Futile You Will Be Assimilated Hab SoSlI' Quch Level: 61  Posts: 1478/1757 EXP: 1799888 For next: 76708 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 4 hours |
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| this is strange, apparently archive.org is being sued over their wayback machine.... http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/13/internet_archive_sue.html |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 2251/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Yeah, I read about this and find it pretty stupid. A company was being sued, and in the lawsuit, evidence was gained from the Wayback Machine proving the company's guilt. So what does the guilty party do? Sue the Wayback Machine of course....  In other annoying news, Canada is passing a law that might make Googling and Archiving illegal.... ????? (edited by Tarale on 07-13-05 10:34 PM) |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 9258/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| The cache part of that bill might be something to keep an eye on, but a flat-out search would never be illegal. We're not China, we don't filter out anything on the Internet. And if that company's so concerned, why don't they just ask archive.org to, oh, I don't know... simply REMOVE the pages in question rather than launch a huge fuss over it that could potentially backfire? |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 4585/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I like that Canadian bill...It actually makes some sense. | |||
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 9265/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| In what sense, Ziff? I could support not having confidential information/anything that might be controversial cached, but who cares if someone's LiveJournal is archived? I can't see how this would end up having any visible effect. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4587/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Because it is going to a committee soon, it will be ratified and will be narrowed. It always happens. It'll be good. | |||
Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 10499/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Most common filter around the world is a child porn filter, some countries filter out child porn. That's so far how some filters go. And yes, this law-suit is stupid. Besides I think you could ask nicely if you wanted a certain page removed from Waybackmachine but thoose sued instead... |
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Kaioshin Blue Octorok Level: 10  Posts: 42/45 EXP: 3473 For next: 941 Since: 06-23-05 From: Slovenia Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 57 days |
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| Can text or another form of media that was once available to the public be considered illegal in the future if the original source doesn't offer it? | |||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4597/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Depends on the status of copyright law at the time and status of the media piece in question  |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 5735/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Really, how can it be illegal to provide a list of web pages? To quote the article:
If you can go on Google and look up copyrighted material, then so can the copyright owner, making it that much easier to stop. As for that Google one, I assume it's just poorly-worded.  |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 3546/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by HyperHackerI think so too--I'm pretty sure if this passes, those who sponsored the bill will surely not be re-elected... but yeah, the spirit of what copyright is supposed to be used for is lost in these two lawsuits... but for the lawsuit against archive.org, I think it is more that company trying to invalidate the evidence by showing the evidence was illegally obtained |
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Mel (USER WAS TOTALLY AWESOME FOR THIS POST) Level: 47  Posts: 861/991 EXP: 762490 For next: 3713 Since: 03-15-04 From: secure tripcodes are for jerks Since last post: 17 min. Last activity: 16 min. |
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This is why Robots.txt was invented.  (edited by ASSES! on 07-14-05 06:30 PM) |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 2256/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by ASSES! Yeah, but Robots.txt is hardly a binding contract or anything. It's purely voluntary to honor a robots.txt... |
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The Guru of Furu Ninji Level: 26  Posts: 190/240 EXP: 90642 For next: 11633 Since: 03-18-04 From: Cali Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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Originally posted by Kaioshin Probably not, because expostfacto laws are bs in most nations. But who knows, at least having owned it won't be illegal, but it might mean it needs to go after the law is passed, that is if it is passed. |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 5755/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by neotransotaku How is it illegal though? I don't remember there being a law against making copies of old web pages. |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 1991/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| It seems the opinion from one copyright lawyer is the plaintiffs here have no case whatsoever. There's a topic on the SDA general forums about it with some of the exact text. |
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Mel (USER WAS TOTALLY AWESOME FOR THIS POST) Level: 47 Posts: 863/991 EXP: 762490 For next: 3713 Since: 03-15-04 From: secure tripcodes are for jerks Since last post: 17 min. Last activity: 16 min. |
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Originally posted by TaraleOriginally posted by ASSES! What I'm saying is that if the company didn't want their pages archived, they should have made use of Robots.txt to prevent webcrawlers from archiving it. |
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Possessed Metal axe Level: 17  Posts: 80/161 EXP: 22987 For next: 1756 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 100 days Last activity: 94 days |
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| I wonder if this would have effect googling pictures. Probably not since it won't even hit the search engines very hard. Just the archiving. | |||
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 2259/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by ASSES!Originally posted by TaraleOriginally posted by ASSES! They did, and that's their argument. That they were still archived. But like I said, it's hardly a binding contract or anything, so meh. |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 3552/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by HyperHackerOriginally posted by neotransotaku they are probably going to challenge the constitutionality of how evidence was acquired. What I guess could be argued was because these items were "stolen", they weren't supposed to be in a place they could be found. The lawsuit argues these pages were being stored without their permission. no permission could constitute as stolen property. thus, if the pages are determined to be illegally stored, then their use as evidence would be invalidated because proper procedures were not taken to be able to acquire it legally. therefore, the previous case would be thrown out. Evidence illegally obtain is not valid in Federal Court. |
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