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Posted on 06-29-05 12:00 PM Link | Quote
Well, it is official. The bill has passed. Same sex marriage is now legal in Canada and will be recognized.

[sarcasm] Who's excited? [/sarcasm]
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Posted on 06-29-05 12:05 PM Link | Quote
Who's excited?

Probably American same sex couples who want to move to canada.
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Posted on 06-29-05 12:07 PM Link | Quote
Nice. Now they just need to stop benig nazis about loli.
Until then, US > Canada.
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Posted on 06-29-05 12:35 PM Link | Quote
I am. Very excited actually. I think it's about time this happened.
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Posted on 06-29-05 04:26 PM Link | Quote
Canada is not alone, there are several countries or states, that allow same sex mariages or similar.
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Posted on 06-29-05 04:55 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by geeogree
Well, it is official. The bill has passed. Same sex marriage is now legal in Canada and will be recognized.

[sarcasm] Who's excited? [/sarcasm]


Why do I get the feeling you're trying to present this in a bad light?
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Posted on 06-29-05 06:15 PM Link | Quote
About time. This is great for Canada, i'm sure their American visitors will increase a little.
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Posted on 06-29-05 06:45 PM Link | Quote
yeah...watch, all the gay couples will come up here to get married, just so they can say they are officially married...although they have to wait til the end of july I believe...although I could be wrong....


btw, canada is only the 3rd country where it is legal in the whole country
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Posted on 06-29-05 07:10 PM Link | Quote
Next up, Spain.

Odd thing is that all of these nations are in the majority Catholics.

You know, a month ago...I was totally for it. But now, although I'm still whole-heartedly for it, I've a few problems with it. What I want to see is the government get out of MARRIAGE all together. No gay, no straight. I want to see the government hand out civil unions, therefore allowing the recipients to seek sanctification.


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Although I totally don't see what the problem is with it. It's not destroying marriage in any mean. I was actually talking to my mom. It's insane, she is still married to my dad. What's CRAZIER is that society is still holding together. No ravening beaver has attacked my house, kill my dogs and turned me into a homosexual. The problem is that there is no inherent problem with legislated gay marriage. No magical apocalypse is coming. Marriage as a "traditional" establishment isn't even 1000 years old. Up until then symbolic marriages happened all the time between men, in many different cultures. And I'm not saying "you and I are married now as brothers", it was "you and I farm together, live together...we became brothers. Now we are joined for eternity". Then there was a schism in the Church leading to the break-off of the Orthodox, and a lot of the influences that the practise had...died off in the West and then it was outlawed in the East.

Aditionally, I've heard a lot of good arguments using scriptural sources as a way of defending a pro-SSM stance. Of course, the people who were being debated against got angry at this and literally started shouting and screaming that they were abusing the word of God, and that it was impossible for humans to understand what He meant because He is pure. Then this same person turns around and starts quoting Bible passages seemingly "proving" that God doesn't just want gays to not marry, but HATES them. The other debater said "well, how can you say that? You can't interpret His words...". The other one just stormed away from his side of the podium. It was hilarious.

Plus, I have a problem with limiting civil rights of peoples. The LBGT in this nation have had to work hard for equality outside of the big cities. The problem is that there are small, but influential groups that receive massive funding from the U.S. that are trying to not only stop marriage (and failed ) but also trying to limit other facets of gay life. Some of the fringe groups are calling for illegalization of homosexuality and mandatory "ex-gaying" experiences. The majority simply want to alter the Hate Crimes legislation to exclude gays from criticism (which is something that REALLY scares me).


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Posted on 06-29-05 07:39 PM Link | Quote
Here in Switzerland are some talks, to 'loosen up' the mariage thing, most for the taxes (instead of both incomes as one, both are taxed seperatly).
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Posted on 06-30-05 06:19 AM Link | Quote
In Slovenia a law that would allow homosexual civil unions was about to be passed, but just as it was to be passed, the elections came and a new government came to power. They immediately trashed the new law so I guess we won't be seeing that soon...
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Posted on 06-30-05 06:43 AM Link | Quote
Odd, there never been anything against same-sex marriage in Sweden. Though the marry in a non-relgious way of course.

Gay people seem generally accepted around here in Sweden. Most people I know speaks for gay people and there was a recent discussion if homosexual people should be allowed to adopt children. And I think they got allowed to, as I only recall one party being against it... a relgious one.
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Posted on 06-30-05 07:13 AM Link | Quote
Ziff, are you sure the Dutch are mostly Catholic? I was under the impression they were like, Protestant central.
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Posted on 06-30-05 08:35 AM Link | Quote
According to the stats I saw...

Roman Catholic 31%
Protestant 21%
Muslim 4.4%
other 3.6%
unaffiliated 40%

Yes, that IS a high percentage of people who don't identify with any church. :\ (Although I don't see any mention of Holland in the thread... )
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Posted on 06-30-05 09:00 AM Link | Quote
"Odd thing is that all of these nations are in the majority Catholics."

It's implicit.
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Posted on 06-30-05 09:37 AM Link | Quote
Largest denomination in the nations are almost always Catholic is what I meant by that.
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