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Is Tom Cruise's recent behavior acceptable?| Yes, he needs to rock on |
4.5%, 1 vote | No, dude needs to chill |
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Thayer Fuzz Ball Level: 38  Posts: 6/988 EXP: 349428 For next: 21019 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| I'm sure most of you are familiar with Tom Cruise's latest antics, and if you're not, well... Google News Search on Tom Cruise Anyhoo, I don't know about the rest of you, but I think $cientology might be getting to him a little excessively, he needs some downtime perhaps, preferably not somewhere near the Co$. ;D |
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Dei* Nipper Plant Level: 26  Posts: 165/412 EXP: 97995 For next: 4280 Since: 06-18-05 From: USA, Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 1 day |
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God damn you keep ranting about it in IRC about Tom Cruise, do you need to spread it here as well?  XD |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 4307/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| http://youcantmakeitup.blogspot.com/2005/06/cruise-uncontrollable.html Read it. Laugh. Understand he is a waste of 150 pounds of flesh and bone and other cells. |
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Dei* Nipper Plant Level: 26 Posts: 169/412 EXP: 97995 For next: 4280 Since: 06-18-05 From: USA, Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| Wow, that has to be one of the funniest things i've ever read, and I have to agree with you now. I think he like, went into a coma between movies and lost half his brain. | |||
Danielle Local Moderator  Level: 76  Posts: 659/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Well apparently it's because he fell in love with Katie Holmes. Katie, congratulations on turning Tom Cruise into a freak.  |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 2182/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I thought Tom Cruise was a freak way before this, actually o.o And yeah, the guy needs to chill out. People who try to push their way of thinking on others always irk me, no matter the reasons. |
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Dei* Nipper Plant Level: 26 Posts: 174/412 EXP: 97995 For next: 4280 Since: 06-18-05 From: USA, Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by Danielle You think he wasn't a freak before this?  I have to agree with Tarale, people who try to force people to believer certain things give me pause. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 8992/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Actually, based on the internet rumors, it's TOM who converted poor Katie into scientology. Then again, people should really take some time to read up on the history of scientology. It's fascinating... in a "they get away with this stuff?" way of course. I was waiting for Tom to punch out Lauer but that's TOO much to ask for, I suppose. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4322/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| There is a school of thought that states that if a terrible science fiction writer founded a religion based on a terrible book (Battlefield Earth) written by him that has nothing to do with the book (the Bible) he claims he bases it off of. It's like Malibu Kabballah and Moscow Suffism. |
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Thayer Fuzz Ball Level: 38 Posts: 17/988 EXP: 349428 For next: 21019 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by Colleen Seeing as he was involved with the Co$ back in 1990, way way before he was ever public with Katie Holmes, I'd buy it. ;o |
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Dei* Nipper Plant Level: 26 Posts: 184/412 EXP: 97995 For next: 4280 Since: 06-18-05 From: USA, Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| I'd have to go research this, as I thought Tom wasn't into this until recently. | |||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4326/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| No, I think John Travolta crashed a plane into Tom's head turning him into a gullible sap. | |||
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 186/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| I personally believe that Tom is a bit of a nutter, that his strict adherence to and adorance of Scientology is off-putting and generally "weird," but I don't think his stunt inapropriate, and I agree with him steadfastly on his rejection of psychiatry. I too, believe that it is a baseless, factless psuedo-science only perpetrated to create a drug industry - which is one of the wealthiest, I might add - and furthermore, that psychiatrists are charlatans. I abhor the idea of taking drugs to "cure" or "treat" depression. The problem is that when someone is depressed, we automatically assume that there's something wrong with that person. There is not, in my opinion. There is a lot to be depressed about in the world, most people simply ignore it and continue on with their happy, sheltered lives. Some of us awaken to it and can't handle the horrors we see and the truths we face, so we become intensely sad. I believe only self-contemplation can erase this sadness. And I speak from personal experience. In my youth I was put on various drugs to "treat" my intense depression. They all had bothersome side effects, and the withdrawl I suffered when going from one medication to another was comparable to suffering from influenza. This was month by month, week by week, day by day. I was saddened at the suffering of people in the world and the badness humanity spawns forth. This wasn't aided or "treated" at all by these medications. They only made it worse by adding physical discomfort and pain to the vicious mix, adding actual misery to mental misery. If you are sad, no drug in the world will truly make you happy again. Maybe you don't even need to be happy. You have to face up to the fact that there are abominable things in this world, and overcome that thought. Do something to make a difference, to improve your own life and the lives of those around you. No drug can do that. No drug at all. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4378/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Wow, take some courses in neuro-chemistry. When someone has a hormonal imbalance in their brain they need a multi-layer treatment. First off, they need drugs to try to balance that imbalance. Ying and yang. Zen BS. Next up, there needs to be environmental factors. When you're down, you can't have people in your household bitching and yelling and namecalling (my doctor actually paid a visit to my parents during my treatment because the neighbours complained to me about the fighting  ) . Depression, based on severity has to be treated. Some, like yours Slay, are primarily due to a young age. Others, like mine, are due to a horrible chemical imbalance that is brought on by puberty. I was fortunate to be put on a strict regime of drugs for the first six months. But, the psychologist switched (the one I was with died...) so, I got this old front ONLY DRUGS sort. He pulled me off of the regimen I was on, which made the imbalance worse. Then he pulled my counselling services. So, I took myself off of THOSE drugs and forced the doctor to take back the prescription and return me to the last one. That rebalanced me brain, and eventually, I went to a psychologist with a psychiatric background who told me that I might as well stop taking drugs and do intensive counselling. |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44  Posts: 603/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| Yea, I'm going to have to (for once) agree with Ziff on this one. There are quite a good many people who suffer from chemical excesses or deficiencies who, while unmedicated are absoloute train wrecks yet, when properly medicated, are perfectly normal happy members of society. Anyone who thinks that psyciatry and the drug companies are all a total scam needs to both grow up and get an education. There ARE plenty of people who simply CANNOT function without proper medication, yet are perfectly fine when properly treated. I should know, I live with one of these people. |
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Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81  Posts: 2483/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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| He needs to chill. So does his girl, but oh wait ... she's already gotten back-handed! http://comics.ign.com/articles/627/627631p1.html? 3rd paragraph, pretty funny. |
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Dei* Nipper Plant Level: 26 Posts: 250/412 EXP: 97995 For next: 4280 Since: 06-18-05 From: USA, Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by Ziff Man that sounds totally painful to go through, especially the entire doctor switcharound, but then again you don't want any depression. |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 196/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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The ||bass says... This is another problem that plagues me. Popular opinion is that being happy is normal, and being sad is abnormal. This creates an unfair bias, leading to more unnecessary medication. The ||bass says... Your insinuations are not appreciated. I am highly experienced in the subject of psychiatry and mental illness. I've taken two four-year college courses in subjects revolving around psychiatry and mental illness, and have indeed been interested in the subject and studying it on my own since the age of ten or eleven. The problem is that drugs are given out irresponsibly. Tell me, how is it - by the books, by some psychiatry textbook - that we determine how much Paxil a person needs? What scale is there that weighs how depressed they are versus how "imbalanced" they are, and therefore gives a reasonable figure as to how much medication they should recieve? The fact is, there is no test at all. Psychiatry is fully trial-and-error. You're given one medication, if that doesn't work you're given another, and this process repeats until the patient is satisfied. Any science, by definition, must include constants, repeatable experiments and reproducable effects. Psychiatry lacks all these qualities, it's simply trial-and-error, which is quite dangerous when it comes to drugs, if you ask me. I've studied the full scope and history of psychiatry across the globe, I've studied the history of psychiatric medicine, of psyche drugs, antidepressants and such. I doubt you have, so I believe my opinion has far more merit than yours. You site personal experience; that you've seen people who are "treated" by psychiatric medication. This is not enough to legitimize psychiatry and psyche drugs as a whole. Tell me, if it's raining outside and someone walks into your house and is soaked thoroughly, do you automatically assume they were drenched by rainfall? Perhaps they just got out of the shower, perhaps they've come back from visiting a swimming pool, or perhaps that is persperation and not water at all. You see a rock on the ground. Do you automatically assume that is must have fallen from the sky? Do you assume someone put it there? Do you assume it's always been there? Assumption is another problem with psychiatry. If someone is depressed, for instance, and begins to take a drug and later is emancipated from that depression, do you automatically assume that the drugs are the cause of this? I do not, because I rarely assume anything, especially when it comes to medicine and science. Mental illness in the way we think of it is a myth. Obviously, there are genuine conditions such as Down's syndrome, Asperger's syndrome, conditions where the brain is deteriorating or abnormal in shape and size, then there are misinterpretive conditions such as dyslexia, where the brain interprets certain strings of information inapropriately. But things such as anxiety and depression, the two conditions for which more drugs are prescribed, is nonsense. Social anxiety disorder, they try to pass this off as a form of mental illness. I've done the research and cannot find any evidence to support this claim. The problem with diagnosis of SAD is that people assume it's natural, healthy and normal to be very social, and it's unnatural, unhealthy and abnormal to be seldom social. I couldn't disagree more. Some people are simply introverted, some people are simply nervous in groups. There is no empirical evidence whatsoever that this is caused by a brain defect or hormone imbalance, it's simply a personality trait that we try to "fix" according to our perception of what is "right" and "normal" and what is "wrong" and "abnormal." Depression is the same case. We figure that if someone is constantly sad, worried or depressed that there's something clinically, medically wrong with them. No scientific research has ever been done to prove this, nor is there a standard for what constitutes clinical depression. The only scientific research done regarding anti-depressants has been to dose them out to people, and see how their mood changes. That's absurd to call "sound science." Of course anti-depressants can alter your mood, but so can marijuana and cocaine. Anti-depressants can alter your mood yet have drawbacks and side-effects in the same way that marijuana does, but you'll probably find it difficult to find any psychiatrist prescribing pot to their patients. It's the exact same thing; mood alterants. I say that depression is caused by the fact that we live in a sad, depressing time in world history. There has been misery in the past, but we've never had twenty-four hour news channels or the internet to make such a big deal out of it. People are so bombarded with depressing information about the horrors of mankind that it is inevitable that many people will not be able to handle this, and will become intensely sad. These psychiatrists say that the cure is drugs, I say the cure is accepting that there are bad things in life, and seeking to fix them. I will openly that psychiatric drugs can have useful effects, but not when used to treat "mental illness." For example, I'd wager that you have heard of IBS. Iritable bowel syndrome, a case in which a person's digestive system is hyper or hypoactive, causing almost daily constipation or diarreha. It has been shown that anti-anxiety medications such as amitriptyline can treat or sometimes altogether correct these malfunctioning bowels. This is terrific news for those suffering from IBS, but it is unfortunate that amitriptyline is prescribed to "treat" social anxiety disorder. I'll stop here, I've given you enough to soak in. I fully support your intrinsic right to disagree with what I say, but I absolutely oppose your reasoning being that you figure I don't have as much knowledge as a psychiatrist, or that I am altogether uninformed on the subject. It is foolhardy to disagree with someone based on your assumption that they lack merit, or the knowledge necessary to judge the circumstances. It is preferable to disagree with someone based on idealogicial differences. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1696/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| For the record, drugs don't create mimic or faked emotions; they create and modify them. (edited by windwaker on 07-02-05 12:54 AM) |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 375/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| Slay: so don't take drugs to "solve" your problems |
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