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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 564/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by hhallahh First off, you can read all you want but it's the comprehensionthat you need work on. (<~ tee) Whatever that is. Get you started again? What, you want to flame some more? Heh, you don't impress me. And I criticized Clockworkz because he was being a moron, as are you. Now seriously, go away. You've already said that you were leaving, now stick with it. People are tired of your incoherent and mindless babble. (And yes, I checked around to confirm that.) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 171/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| First off, you can read all you want but it's the comprehension that you need work on. Eh, more vague insults... he says my comprehension is off, yet he refuses to cite any reasons why. I believe that all I said was that I'm sure that many Christians disagree with you, and yes... they are still Christians. It doesn't matter whether my particular comprehension is off. Clockworkz was perfectly correct to say that many Christians believe that all non-Christians will be cast into Hell. You've already said that you were leaving, now stick with it. People are tired of your incoherent and mindless babble. (And yes, I checked around to confirm that.) I'm sure people are tired of me. Plenty of people were tired of Christ as well. D:< Unless being not-liked becomes a bannable offense, you'll really have a hard time convincing me to give a damn. People will come around to me. And I said I was leaving "for now", as in... the period before this post, of course. Since you're flagrantly breaking your own rules, I don't really worry about getting in trouble anymore (assuming, of course, a fair system.) I'm not flaming you. I'm turning the other cheek, see? I'm trying to see where you're coming from, for the mere sake of intellectual curiousity, and all you say is that I'm spouting garbage. It's a pity. You're not being very respectful. (edited by hhallahh on 04-30-04 06:31 PM) (edited by hhallahh on 04-30-04 06:58 PM) |
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Wlokos Red Paratroopa Level: 22 Posts: 29/176 EXP: 54880 For next: 3470 Since: 04-29-04 Since last post: 11 days Last activity: 10 days |
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| I find it very sad that few people have the capability to discuss religon without fighting... Very sad indeed. I'm not going to get involved in any of it. | |||
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 172/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Yes, I agree. I suppose I should put a little bit of effort into this, then. You should feel lucky. Anyways, my point is thus: The beliefs of Christians are multifaceted, and there are significant number of fire-and-brimstone types out there. Most non-liberal Churches teach that, yes, if you don't believe in Jesus, you'll go to Hell... or at least, you won't go to Heaven. Some Churches may not actively teach that, but... imo, the Bible is pretty solid on this point: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son." ~ John 3:16 Thusly, you can put some kind of liberal spin on it, but a lot of Christians don't. And for the first 1950 years after Christ's death, most of them didn't. And if you say that Christians who don't follow your particular interpretation of the Bible aren't really Christians... well, that's just a narrow-minded thing to do. I said all of this before, but was not graced with a reply. It's not my goal to say what the correct interpretation of the Bible is, but rather that it's stupid to say that there is one correct translation, and that anyone who doesn't adhere to it isn't really a Christian. There are plenty of passages that can support Evangelism, or Crusades, or whatever. It's really arrogant to say, "well, their interpretation is just wrong, and now they're all in Hell" or whatever. |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 827/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by LegionLeg's got a point. And what the bible says is not always what the church says. There are a lot of things in the bible, like certian areas supporting homosexuality and premarital sex/promiscuity, revenge, and other sins. But the church stands firm on its beliefs towards these (and other) issues, whether they make sense or not. There's a difference between Christianity and Catholicism. Catholics follow what the church (more specifically, the Vatican) sets in stone. People who are pro-choice, have premarital sex, use contraception, and use artificial reproduction technologies are not, according to the church, true Catholics. That's the whole big debate with Kerry right now - he says he's catholic but he's pro-choice, so the church says he isn't catholic. That having been said, what Legion believes might have been set in stone by the Vatican, either many, many years ago or within the last 5. In any case, it's considered an "Infallible truth". |
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Luigi Red Koopa Level: 19 Posts: 120/126 EXP: 34570 For next: 1207 Since: 03-15-04 From: Friday the 13th Since last post: 521 days Last activity: 96 days |
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| Religion is theories, all theories. To explain what, you ask? The meaning of life, how we got life, how the things of life we don't know work, etcetra. We even ask these questions commonly today. In the Old Testament, there is something saying something among the lines of that humans existed on this world since the beginning of time. The dinosaurs disproved that. That means the person who made Judaism is probably someone with an overactive imagination. And the Christian religions have all the beliefs that Jews do, except for the Jewish belief on that the messiah hasn't come yet. There is no proof that there is a god. Some people have this so-called "proof" of creationism, but you can't prove there is a creator just because of the complexity of things. Furthermore, humanity likes to discriminate each other among differences to what is popular. Religion contributes to this. As a result, war. Mankind's favorite pasttime, practiced since ancient times. The part of life we do not know is far too complicated for us to figure out. We probably will never know. (edited by Luigi on 04-30-04 09:47 PM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 173/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| That having been said, what Legion believes might have been set in stone by the Vatican, either many, many years ago or within the last 5. In any case, it's considered an "Infallible truth". Granted. As I said before, it would be rather strange to be a member of a religious group that you didn't believe to preach "The Truth". However, the Vatican has also declared that other religious groups have access to this "Truth". In addition, I'm quite sure that The Vatican does not consider the Orthodox Church, or Protestant Churches, or whatever, to not be "Christian" (because if they're not, what are they?) It'd be easy to prove me wrong on this, though, and I'm open to someone doing so. Also, I'd still have to maintain that it's pretty lame to imply "if you read the Bible more, you'd understand that I'm correct." I think there are plenty of Biblical scholars who don't believe that the Catholic teachings are the logical consequence of the "correct" Bible interpretation. And on a sidenote (yea, another!) the whole Kerry debate is stupid. Being pro-choice doesn't mean personally advocating abortion, it means advocating the individual right to choose whether to have an abortion. Chastizing politicans for being pro-choice in that manner is as silly as chastizing politicians for supporting freedom of religion. (edited by hhallahh on 04-30-04 10:05 PM) |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 829/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| The catholic church is taking it so seriously because he's "A public figure who doesn't oppose abortion and openly supports the right to choose." According to the church, abortion is always wrong because embryos have a soul from the moment of conception. | |||
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 178/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| It's only a couple bishops of the Catholic church spearheading the drive... who are conspicuously silent on other pro-choice Catholics such as Arnold Schwarrzenager (I'm not even gonna try to spell that right), George Pataki, and George Tenet. Never mind pro-death penalty Catholics, or the ones who supported the Iraq war... they' get a pass. It's selective, politically-motivated smearing. And you didn't quite get what I was trying to say, which is that if the Church starts saying that politicians views should be aligned with Church views, the logical consequence of this is that you'd basically have to renounce freedom of religion, since allowing people the choice to practice other religions would be to allow them to sin. There's a few degrees of seperation between "can't support abortion" and "can't support the existence of other religions", but I think the second is a logical consequence of the first.. (edited by hhallahh on 05-01-04 01:13 AM) |
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kiwibonga Double metal axe Level: 27  Posts: 95/266 EXP: 106040 For next: 10119 Since: 03-15-04 From: Montreal, QC, Canada Since last post: 126 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| Clockworkz is simply angry at people who do everything based on their religion and impose it on other people, sometimes passively. One day a friend of my brother's (he was 10 or so) came over to our house for dinner, but it was that weird friday thing where you're supposed to eat very little (Once a year, I know that's vague, but the christians here probably know what I'm talking about) -- Anyway... That night we were having McDonald's and as we were having dinner we receive a phone call from the kid's mom: "Are you doing the (thing I don't know the name of)? What?? You're not christian??" -- Basically we let the kid have McDonalds because we had no idea what that thing was (And I still don't  ), she didn't warn us cause she assumed we were christian -- and ever since that day the kid never was allowed to come back to our house.The mom is christian. She's not even a bad christian, let's say she's probably too good of a christian -- so hardcore about it she passively imposes her religion on us. The kid almost always came to our house each friday night, but NO. This is what pushes people to say "religion is trash." -- And I think that's mainly what drove me away from "mainstream religion" if you will... My brother lost a friend over religion. Something similar happened to me, my mother got screamed at by some psycho mom. Basically at age 6, my friend told me he hated going to church, and I said this to him: "if you don't want to go to church, tell your mom you don't believe in God, and you won't have to go!" Look... At least tell your fucking kids some people don't believe in what you believe, and save "those of us who are going to hell" an argument. Sure Clockworkz didn't voice his opinion in the most subtle manner, but I fully support his views when it comes to people who are imposing their religion on other people. At least I think that's the message he was trying to convey. |
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Daemon_nick Red Goomba Level: 11  Posts: 14/40 EXP: 5782 For next: 203 Since: 05-29-04 From: The Realm of Eternal Darkness Since last post: 36 days Last activity: 36 days |
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| 1. Not very religious. There very well may be a God or Gods out there, not sure. 2. Don't really follow any religions, but have my own beliefs. 3.All i know is, A. people says that God created the universe, B. sacrificed his only son to save the world, and C. that the current major religion has only been around for not even 2000 years, while man has been on earth for longer than that. 4. I came into my own beliefs through life experiences. Please do not take offence at the above comments i have made, as this is what I personally believe, and am not condemming, mocking, or critisizing anyone elses beliefs, as i may or may not be incorrect |
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