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Apophis Red Super Koopa Level: 45 Posts: 189/882 EXP: 640255 For next: 19909 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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Originally posted by Oin Ironbreaker As well? You do realize that this thread is about it NOT being against the law in Canada, right? |
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Bogie Purple Leever Level: 24  Posts: 87/201 EXP: 69651 For next: 8474 Since: 03-15-04 From: New York Since last post: 245 days Last activity: 72 days |
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| Yeah, its great for Canada, now all we have to do is get it legalized here. Which is going to take a long, long time. | |||
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 700/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Well as I understand, in Canada it's legal to download but not to upload. If it's legal to SHARE, then it's pretty hard to do so without uploading, right?  |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 137/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Just so you know, when I say that theft is different from copyright infringement, I am talking in LEGAL TERMS. Theft occurs when something is taken from somebody. eg. I take your CD. I now have a CD, you do not have the CD. I have gained by the exact amount that you have lost. In Copyright Infringement, the loss inflicted upon a person or company is not the exact amount as the gain that the person copying the file/whatever gets. In fact, the person who originally owns the ((whatever it is)) does not lose that item at all, just somebody else gains a COPY of that item. Legally they are classed as entirely different things. Filesharing is NOT theft. It IS Copyright Infringement |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 95/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Originally posted by hhallahh That's a really good way to piss off people who, for whatever reason, disagree with you, and I don't want to see this thread turn into a flame war. Why don't you argue against that particular stance instead of blatantly insulting everyone who holds it? |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 287/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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Originally posted by RydainOriginally posted by hhallahh I think it pretty much argues against itself. ChibiTaryn, I understand the difference, but I don't see it as being much better than stealing. What's important to me is that the artist gets thier money and the companies get paid back for thier investments. |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42 Posts: 98/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Originally posted by witeasprinwow I disagree. Claiming that all unauthorized transfer of copyrighted works is either Good or Bad makes no distinction between music whose sales support its creators and music that is still under copyright but financially irrelevant to those who made it. As spelled out in the US Constitution, the purpose of copyright is to ultimately enrich the public domain. That is, it grants content creators a limited period of time during which they can exclusively distribute their works, which allows them to profit from said works and thereby encourages them to make more. The limited copyright duration was intended to give creators a fair chance to profit while ensuring that the public domain would not stagnate. As you may know, over the years, this concept has been flayed bare by the media cartels and greedy heirs. Copyright now extends to a maximum of 150 years - a far cry from the original 28 - and the public domain hasn't seen anything new since the early 20th century. I agree with the intents of our founding fathers with regard to copyright, so I don't see what's so bad about illegally downloading copyrighted music that, for whatever reason, no longer makes money for the people who created it. For instance, I don't think Del Shannon gave a rat's ass that I grabbed a mp3 of his 1962 hit, "Runaway" - he's been dead for over 10 years. On the other hand, I'll gladly purchase music from independent-label bands that I like because I want to reward them for their work and see them make more. (As I mentioned elsewhere, if I like a RIAA-affiliated artist, I buy their CD's used. I know that sucks for them, but at least it does help to support the nifty local record store that carries lots of indie and unusual music.) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 27/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by RydainOriginally posted by witeasprinwow That's a good point, then. So I'll change my statement into "anyone who says that it's moral and should be legal to download whatever copyrighted media he pleases is either a bastard, moron, or a communist." There, so much better. |
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Utilityman Like Like Level: 44  Posts: 481/813 EXP: 566605 For next: 44680 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 353 days Last activity: 4 days |
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Originally posted by hhallahh Sigh. And you seemed to have such a positive IQ on the Overclocked Remix boards too. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 28/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Well, then you should thank me for clearing up that silly misperception. I mean, maybe my maxim needs revision to allow a couple more exceptions, but I'm pretty sure that its main aim is pretty bulletproof. |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 288/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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Originally posted by RydainOriginally posted by witeasprinwowCopyright now extends to a maximum of 150 years - a far cry from the original 28 - and the public domain hasn't seen anything new since the early 20th century. I understand the problem here (You can't even download old DOS games, like, say, King's Quest or something), but I don't see how this is a problem with the filesharing laws and not with the copyright laws. |
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kiwibonga Double metal axe Level: 27  Posts: 55/266 EXP: 106040 For next: 10119 Since: 03-15-04 From: Montreal, QC, Canada Since last post: 126 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| In my opinion, sending a full album to your friend through IRC shouldn't be illegal, it's just like if you lent someone a CD, you're sharing, you're on an international network listening to music together. If it's through kazaa, people are offering stuff from their shared folder to people they do not know, there is no sharing involved, it's clearly distribution... I pirate stuff, and I know it's bad, but I do it anyway, much like EVERYONE who's ever downloaded something copyrighted for free. Face it though, if there was a way to clone material objects, people would do it all the time... look at it this way... I have this really nice wooden chair, and pieces of wood and all the tools necessary to build such a chair... I can build myself an identical chair, give it to a friend, who would give a crap as long as I don't sell it? Well given today's tools, I can copy digital music to my hard disk and send it to anyone for free. Should it be illegal? It's not much different from the chair example. McDonald has registered the phrase "I'm lovin' it" -- if I say that to someone, will I be infringing on intellectual property rights? But who brought music and movies to a digital/computer-compatible format in the first place? Isn't it whoever invented CDs and DVDs? How about sound card manufacturers? I say they had it coming, it's their problem. |
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Apophis Red Super Koopa Level: 45 Posts: 196/882 EXP: 640255 For next: 19909 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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Originally posted by Kiwibonga There's one key flaw in your arguement. When you lend a friend a cd, you don't both have it at the same time. There's still just one cd. When you send a copy to a friend, your reproducing the cd, essentially making two copies where there was only one. |
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kiwibonga Double metal axe Level: 27 Posts: 57/266 EXP: 106040 For next: 10119 Since: 03-15-04 From: Montreal, QC, Canada Since last post: 126 days Last activity: 3 days |
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Yes but what I was trying to say is that on the internet, it's like if you were in the same room  |
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Mario Newcomer Level: 6 Posts: 5/9 EXP: 658 For next: 249 Since: 03-17-04 Since last post: 399 days Last activity: 215 days |
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| Sorry for being a little bit of a party pooper, but I want to give you a fact. If you download music off an illegal site such as MP3.com, the artists don't get paid it is just a waste of money for the artist. I don't think sharing music on illegal sites should be legalized, period. | |||
Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 306/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Well, from what i know, filesharing is illegal here in Sweden and from what i also know, nobody cares that much... Yes, i |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 847/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by Millennium Neko |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42 Posts: 102/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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hhallahh - I tried to give you a heads-up that your statement was trollish, and you ignored my entire post and added me to your snarky little blanket statement. Consider this a warning for trolling. Do it again and you're getting banned.Originally posted by witeasprinwow I wasn't claiming as much, and I think we're in agreement here. I was just supporting my position that illegally downloading certain copyrighted material falls into a moral grey area. |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 292/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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Originally posted by RydainOriginally posted by witeasprinwow Ah, okay. I have a tendacy to misinterpret such things. |
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Valcion YOU WA SHOCK Level: 50  Posts: 116/1139 EXP: 939607 For next: 7710 Since: 03-15-04 From: internets. Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Mario Uh, correct me if I'm wrong here, but don't many artists USE Mp3.com to get their music out and heard? |
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