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Angel Hardhat Beetle Level: 37  Posts: 66/573 EXP: 335160 For next: 3093 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 21 days Last activity: 11 hours |
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In Canada yes  .Im not sure if this was posted but damn, legal? http://msn-cnet.com.com/2100-1027_3-5182641.html?part=msn-cnet&subj=ns_5182641&tag=msn_hotmail |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 203/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Wow, that's neat. Seriously, it's like the rest of the world doesn't give two fucks about the RIAA now. (Brownie points to New Zealand for making filesharing legal also) | |||
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 490/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Meh, I don't see anything that wrong with filesharing, other than copyright laws... which I don't pay attention to anyway (otherwise I wouldn't ROM hack)  |
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Steak Zora Level: 35  Posts: 217/507 EXP: 278751 For next: 1185 Since: 03-16-04 From: Ohio University Since last post: 195 days Last activity: 195 days |
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| If I had to guess, it'll only be a matter of time until it is fully outlawed in the US as well. I personally won't care one way or the other...I can see both sides of the issue. Last year, a student here got expelled for child porn...which he picked up (likely) accidently via file-sharing, and others downloaded it from him, before he knew of its illegal nature. (edited by Oin Ironbreaker on 04-03-04 12:20 AM) |
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JaCory Porcupo Level: 29  Posts: 155/323 EXP: 141854 For next: 6031 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 69 days Last activity: 17 days |
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Originally posted by Oin Ironbreaker Thats the ONLY thing I think is bad about file sharing is the child porn on it, I downloaded a file of this asian girl who looked no older than 7 being... well I don't wanna get into details, but it was just awful  EDIT: I didn't mean to download it incase anyone thinks I was searching for it. (edited by JaCory on 04-03-04 12:29 AM) |
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Utilityman Like Like Level: 44  Posts: 437/813 EXP: 566605 For next: 44680 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 353 days Last activity: 4 days |
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| He who obtains pr0n through p2p subjects himself to weird shit. | |||
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JaCory Porcupo Level: 29 Posts: 158/323 EXP: 141854 For next: 6031 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 69 days Last activity: 17 days |
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Originally posted by Utilityman Thats true, but it just pisses me off that the riaa is sueing kids for downloading copyrighted music but nobodys doing anything to stop child porn. |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 272/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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| Filesharing cool stuff = good Filesharing copyrighted material = bad I admit I've downloaded things before, but I've sworn it off since. Most artists make little money for the amount of time they spend doing thier job and the amount of shit they put up with to do it. Sure, an album might sell a million copies at 20 bucks per copy, but only a small bit of that goes to the artist. After production and shipping fees and record company tariffs, let's say about half of that gets taken out, so 10 dollars of every album goes to the band. If the band has four members, that's $2.50 per album for a grand total of $2.5 million to each band member. More members means less money for each member, while less members means more money for each member. Now, $2,500,000 may seem like a whole shitload, but things must be put into perspective. Most artists are doing concerts across the coutnry, which means thier income is made almost entirely off what they sell. If they get out four million-sellers (Which would be quite a successful run for a band, especially considering how so many of them come and go so quickly now), they've each made a total of $10 million off thier musical career over, say, four to eight years. Now, think about this: A schoolteacher who invests 10% of his income each month in a savings account with compound interest can retire at the age of 40 with $2 million in the bank. I know this is possible because I've met a schoolteacher who did it. Sure, with $10 million in the bank, unless they spend significantly more than the amount of income they make, they won't ever have to worry about finances again. However, if they don't want to be flat broke by the time they retire, they won't be living the type of glamorous lifestyle that most people think they do. Most of the rappers you see living insane lifestyles are so rich for two reasons. First, they're solo acts, so they get four times as much from each album. Second, most of them get income from alternate sources as well. It's true that some bands get some cash from T-shirt and concert ticket sales, but that's not always the case. Many rappers open clothing lines and use thier fame to promote them, which is how they get so rich. In short, I don't really hate pre-teen downloaders and stuff, but please, if you have a job and have the money, try to buy as often as possible. Yes, they're rich, but they're not as rich as you think. |
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Havoks Red Koopa Level: 19  Posts: 28/121 EXP: 32533 For next: 3244 Since: 03-15-04 From: Toronto Canada Since last post: 27 days Last activity: 26 days |
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| Bad headline, bad article. The case was that the people trying to obtain the information of the filesharers could not come up with anything that could prove that what these filesharers did was illegal. This does -not- mean downloading music online is legal. But under Canada's copyright laws, it is essentially like a library. You can borrow a library book (a copyrighted material) legally, and the Judge treated the filesharing case as that. But it was emphasized by many people that it doesn't mean that it is legal. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 24/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| I believe that there was a previous case in Canada that made it legal to download MP3s (that's what someone told me, at least), so in conjunction with it being legal for a person to open his files to public access... it's pretty much legal to share your files as long as you're not advertising yourself out, "COME HERE NEW LINKIN PARK ALBUM FREE" or something. That said, I kind of agree with witeasprinwow... I don't care much for the specific economic implications, but the fact is that it's wrong to allow intellectual property to be distributed like this without the author's consent. You can't photocopy a book, bind it, and then sell it legally, and no one says you should be able to. Likewise, anyone who says that it's moral and should be legal to download copyrighted music is either a bastard or a moron. The only reason people defend the practice is because they benefit from it. But that is not a valid argument for file sharing. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 132/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| All things said and done, filesharing does have its benefits. Particularly things like Bit Torrent, for example (Kazaa is just nasty, and does weird shit as far as actually transferring data goes)... but that's a different story and has more to do with bandwidth and allowing small webmasters to host larger content on their sites... o.o offtopic, moving on.... For a lot of artists, it means that their music is exposed to a larger audience. A band in Canada that might have had a limited local audience is now exposed potentially to the WORLD audience, for example. MP3 filesharing has done a lot of promo work for a lot of bands, allowing a good many people to "try before they buy" so to speak. In Australia, ARIA reported a huge INCREASE in album sales since filesharing began. Admittedly, there was a large decrease in the sales of CD singles, but they believe that MP3 filesharing has done the job that singles did -- marketing and allowing people to listen to a single song -- better than CD singles did. Sales of actual albums has since increased a lot  I think in general, filesharing is neither good, nor bad. It can have its' benefits, yes, but it can also be used for copyright infringement (vastly different from "theft" btw) as well. I think in general the biggest thing to come out of the whole filesharing thing is a general idea that people no longer want to deal with the way that people like RIAA want to do things anymore. They want to be in control of the way that they listen to and obtain music. Same goes for TV shows and Movies. In fact, the amount of people watching TV is dropping, particularly among younger males (mid teens to thirties) People generally don't want to sit in front of TV and watch a movie or TV show when the TV network says it's time to... many people are too busy nowadays -- so they download it so that they can watch it at their leisure. I think filesharing has opened up a lot of possibilities, and I just hope that people like the RIAA acknowledge that the market is changing and rather than fight it, I hope they learn to change with the times. (edited by ChibiTaryn on 04-03-04 03:20 AM) |
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Prier Archangel Administrative Priestess. NUCLEAR SUB WEEEOOOO Level: 119  Posts: 258/8392 EXP: 18790939 For next: 138352 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima Dist. - Tokyo, Japan Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| Way I see it...the only way you'd be able to completely stop file-sharing on the net...would be to destroy the entire thing. As far as I'm concerned...if I have the wants, the needs, and it's available, I'll get whatever. If I can't find it...or it's something to test that I can buy anywhere for a legal backup...then yea...I'll buy it when I got the cash. (edited by Hiryuu on 04-03-04 03:26 AM) |
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Tuvai Permanently banned for account hacking. Level: 24 Posts: 149/211 EXP: 74894 For next: 3231 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 566 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| Filesharing is easy and nice. Sharing illegal stuff is obviously bad, however, it's obvious why it happens. It's simple, most of us are students, and can't afford to buy a new CD or DVD every week. | |||
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 281/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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Originally posted by ChibiTaryn I have to agree and disagree. When you steal from a store, it's the store that foots the loss, not the record company. However, most stores will order more CDs based on how the last batch of the CD sold. If a band comes out of the blue and sells a million copies, the stores will be ordering more of that CD, and some of that band's other CDs. When you pirate music, you do have an opportunity to expose yourself to a band you like and subsequently buy thier stuff. Still, many people are downloading with no intent to buy. It can help fame, yes, but it can also hurt it pretty bad. That having been said, I think something like iTunes is a great idea. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 515/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Downloading each song for a buck actually isn't that bad... iTunes is indeed a great idea. But... for stuff like that, does the band actually make anything for the songs of theirs that they sell??? | |||
Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 832/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Well, I can say that I mostly download legal things. Ok I did download CNC: Tiberian dawn, but that's becuse I couldn't find it in shops. It was an old game, and I honestly can say that I maybe would buy it if I saw it in shops.  But that's actually the only copyrighted thing I downloaded this year. And I like the idea of iTunes, I wish that they released that service here... |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 282/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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Originally posted by Mighty Kefka If I remember correctly, the band still gets ripped off by the record company, but not as bad. EDIT: Actually, after some research, it's actually a little worse. Silly me. Let me restate my earlier statement: "iTunes is a great idea, in theory." I still buy CD's anyways, since I like owning the actualy copy, so I guess I can just keep on going as normal. (edited by witeasprinwow on 04-03-04 03:03 PM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 04-03-04 03:06 PM) |
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Surlent サーレント Level: 49  Posts: 119/1077 EXP: 863920 For next: 19963 Since: 03-15-04 From: Tower of Lezard Valeth Since last post: 16 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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File sharing itself was legal already since the beginning by law ... at least here in Germany; though it dealt with the platforms and not the usage of them; so it was and still is up to the person what to share with it  Currently the big companies are approaching with a bigger wave of getting pirates Just think one person have 10.000 illegal MP3s on his computer; now his computer was taken by the FBI and the companies want to charge him with 1.000 USD for each song ... ouch  As for me, I think if someone WANTS to get a certain application or music file, he or she should buy it. So if I can't afford Adobe's Photoshop, I buy Jasc's Paint Shop Pro instead, which costs far less than the expensive Photoshop; it is less good, but PSP8 seems to have a shitload of really neat features (I have a copy of PSP 7, so I dunno know). Of course some people say, the prices are way too high. Yes, there are. The thing is just like an evil circle: CDs and DVDs are very expensive -> People get them using P2P tools and redistribute the (now) illegal versions -> companies lose money -> They develpo nre security machanisms and copy-protection for their software -> The prices raise -> This distracts more people from buying legal stuff -> People download their software from Kazaa and such ... (edited by Gandalf The Grey on 04-03-04 03:18 PM) |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 251/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Well as I understand, in Canada it's legal to download but not to upload. Just like in this particular town it's legal to smoke at any age but it's only legal to buy them at 19. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 447/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I'm going to my old argument, as an artist. I lose money on my demos everytime I sell one. And as an artist, it doesn't hurt me when people download my songs rather than getting the demo from me. As a consumer, I don't have the ability to lay down 40-50$ for imports of music I like. Copyright law needs to be revised, and artists need to realize that they are being fucked by the labels. |
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