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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 2319/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I challenge you to enter the words "anti veganism" into your local search engine. The population of vegans in America grows by the day, and I was wondering about everyone's opinions on the subject. I've found some interesting pro-vegan material, like this particular article on the biological problems associated with drinking milk: I dunno, that Harvard study was cited incorrectly: There was no conclusive evidence in either direction, when the article claims that people who drank milk were more susceptible to bone fractures. So, I'm neutral to the whole issue. On the one hand, I sympathize with PETA on the subjects of animal abuse in factories... But on the other hand, I can't say the vegan lifestyle doesn't go to extremes. I'm really concerned, for example, about my girlfriend hurting herself because she doesn't eat right (she's trying to make the shift from vegetarian to full vegan). What do you all think? (edited by Emperor Ziffatine on 05-24-05 10:59 AM) (edited by Grey on 05-24-05 01:19 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 3886/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Ziff doesn't eat red meat or chicken nowadays. I'm effectively a vegetarian. But I do not sympathize with militant vegans. |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 2320/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Alright, now we're getting started... Why not? Any crazy opinions or ideas you want to share? |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 3026/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Really, only problem with anything about vegatarians, full fledged, are the people who don't take vitamins and things like that. Really, no problem about it, I don't care about people only eating vegatables (for gods sake don't assume I mean you only eat vegatables, just I'm to lazy to say fruit/veg/blah/blah), but if you ever eat only organic, remind me to kill you where you stand. I really don't care what people do as long as they aren't hurting anyone else, if you want to be a full fledged vegen, make sure you do watch about some stuff, get your protien and calcium. Yeah... thats about it. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3888/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Dracoon, I never take vitamin supplements...You know why? I balance my diet so that I get all of the bases cover  |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 3031/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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That also works, but a lot of people don't go through the trouble, and its slightly easier.   |
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FireOcean Rat Level: 15 Posts: 37/86 EXP: 14666 For next: 1718 Since: 11-29-04 Since last post: 71 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| Personally, I find vegans to be rather extreme, because all they can eat are fruits, vegetables, legumes, and vitamins. I eat meat, and I'm not afraid to admit it. I think vegans are extreme basically because there are meats that are actually healthy for you, and I think that some people who are vegans can be misinformed. Seriously, who said that chicken or fish, when prepared the right way, is unhealthy for a person? | |||
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1622/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I eat meat, usually without a second thought. I mean, Soylent Green I'd be a bit suspicious of, however, any meat is fine for me. Why? Because. Just because. I just eat it. That's it. I like the taste, even with a bit of A1. Now, fish I just don't like the taste of. I never really did like the taste of it, and that could be the case with some vegans, and it's not a moral thing at all. That's totally respectable. Edit: Whoops, forgot to add "I don't mind them, as long as they don't push their views down my throat, thus forcing me to stab them in the god damn eyes." (edited by Cymoro on 05-25-05 11:58 AM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 3957/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Vegetarians are one thing but vegans are just downright insane. Milking a cow does NOT hurt the cow. Fuck! Eating meat does not mean you condone cruelty to animals or any of that other stuff that they allegedy do to the animals I consume. Not eating it isn't going to change any of that either. If meat is murder then muder is damn delicious. |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44  Posts: 423/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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I agree that not eating meat as a protest against killing animals accomplishes zero. The human race is more or less dependant on eating meat products, and the natural evolution of our teeth structure tells us that that's how nature intended it. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 3961/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Yeah, which reminds me of that one Maddox article in which he pointed out all the small animals that are needlessly killed in the fields by harvesting machines. At least my animals dont' go to waste. The point is, you can make anything look bad if you try hard enough. |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 2330/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Ah, I really didn't want this to turn into a grain harvester debate, before you two get started... And FireOcean, many people are moral vegans. A lot of the time, Veganism is not a health issue, but one of not harming animals. This is mainly why I didn't want to get into a grain harvester debate, because I want to try a Walden-esque experiment at some point in my life, effectively rendering the grain harvester problems moot. Does anyone know anything about Less-harm theory? |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 3969/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| I only brought up the grain harvestor thing to make the point that no one should claim to be righteous because of how they live their lifestyle because no matter what you do, there's always a way to find a negative side about it. |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44 Posts: 425/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| Yea I do know about the less harm theory. I also know that grain harvesters kill MILLIONS of animals nationwide. Your typical grain field results in the death of far more animals then even a slaughterhouse. | |||
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 3970/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by ||bass And not to mention that all of those animals go to waste too. At least the animals we eat didn't die in vein. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3915/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Nope, but the consumption levels of meat actually have detrimental effects on human health. They too often contain too much fats and negative cholestorals. It's called balance. Don't be an idiot and eat a ham one night, then the next night a burger. Balance your diet, and be healthy. Eat fish, eat tofu, eat lots of beans. Balance the diet. |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44 Posts: 426/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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 Time for biology 101 with ||bass. A common mistake vegatatarians commonly make is the assumption that killing animals is somehow not natural for humans. Nothing could be farther from the truth. All scientific evidence about human digestion suggests that humans are ment to eat both plants AND ANIMALS. The human jaw and teeth contains structures intended to eat animal flesh as well as tough plant matter. Did you even know that the appendix is thought to have aided in the digestion of raw and undercooked meat for early caveman? (edited by ||bass on 05-25-05 04:50 PM) (edited by ||bass on 05-25-05 04:51 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3916/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I should point to the human digestive system as a need to strictly balance your diet. Nevermind that our teeth are primarily there for crushing and grinding. Not tearing, like other meat eaters. Nor do we have serration. The human body is designed to eat more fruits and vegetables than meats. | |||
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44 Posts: 427/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| Last I checked. The main function of incisors are to tear and the main function of canines are to puncture. Both traits of teeth designed for the consumption of meet. The reason our teeth don't have serration is because we don't kill by means of our teeth. PS: Does anyone know why my layout pushes all my "edited by ||bass" comments to the top of the whole page? (edited by ||bass on 05-25-05 04:56 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3917/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| You kill an animal with those teeth. And then you tell me how your digestive system works if all you eat is meat. There is a reason we are omnivores. We are meant to eat both. But current science indicates that although meat is good for you, over consumption is not. Early humans would eat more fruits and vegetables than meat. It was easier to get, easier to prepare, safer, and was more nutritious in what they needed. Not to mention easier to store. Then again, you would know everything, you found a picture of TEETH. And since you have doctoral degrees in evolutionary sciences, nutrition and other fields, I suppose you are the authority. Honest to God, common sense in here just took a deadly dumb plunge. (edited by Emperor Ziffatine on 05-25-05 05:00 PM) |
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