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How many years should a supporter of terrorism have to serve?| No years to serve. |
10.0%, 1 vote | 1 to 5 years in prison |
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0.0%, 0 vote | 6 to 10 years in prison |
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0.0%, 0 vote | 11 to 15 years in prison |
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0.0%, 0 vote | 16 + years |
20.0%, 2 votes | Life in prison |
30.0%, 3 votes | Other |
10.0%, 1 vote | Death |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44  Posts: 424/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| Lots of circumstances change crimes. For example, if you're commiting a felony, and someone dies, even indirectly, as a result of your crime. It's called felony murder. IMO, if you knowingly and willingly commit a crime with the knoledge and intent of causing harm to the state, that falls under TREASON. Regardless of circumstances. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 3914/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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The SomerZ Summer, yay! Level: 45  Posts: 772/862 EXP: 618182 For next: 41982 Since: 03-15-04 From: Norway Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| What's with the whole archaic "treason = death" thinking around here? Take Mordechai Vanunu, for example. Should he have been killed? He's definitely a traitor to Israel, but he's helped the global community by exposing some of the darker sides of the Israeli government. He stood up for, and fought for what he believed in, surely that's better than being a mindless tool for the government. Pledge your allegiance to the people of the world, not to your nation, or even worse, to a man-made, unnatural state. | |||
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 4034/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Apples and oranges, the man you're talking about and this one here. Your country should come before all else, yourself, your god, and even your family. Apparently that's not how people choose to see it (like you I take it?) but that's how I live my life. Any man who becomes a traitor to his own country does not deserve to live. (edited by Darth Legious on 05-26-05 07:18 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3938/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Not really...He spied on his own nation, and told the world of what they were doing. By your standards of treason, he should be killed. And your country, pah! I'm with the Z on this. And not many people see it as you see it, Leg. Any man that believes in sanctioned murder is immoral. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1608/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by The Gamorr Z :O That's like, the best thing I've heard about this, ever. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4037/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Emperor Ziffatine Wanna bet? P: "Any man that believes in sanctioned murder is immoral." I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to say that your finger shaking and raised nose is wrong here. But here's one for you: Any man who sympathizes with people like this is immoral. windwaker, I don't see why you think that. It's probably one of the worst ideas of all time. If it ever happened, this place would be in chaos. Face it, most criminals do NOT change. And if they commit a bunch of murders and get off with a slap on the wrist, then what message does that send? Do whatever you want, because you'll hardly get punished for it. " It sends out a message that people can't be prepared by prisons to be re-instaded as productive members of society." Most can't. Sorry. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3939/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Oh, so you support death? And you try to argue morals. I'm having a big problem here. Leg, please, tell me why Norway, Sweden, Finland and other nations have such SOARING and DEADLY crime rates with their evil and obviously failing ideas of "REHABILITATION". Please, tell me. I want to see your perspective on this. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4039/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Emperor Ziffatine There's a huge difference in culture and morals when it comes to those countries and America. You didn't know? Thinking that can change most people is dangerous and I hate to say it, but somewhat ignorant too. "Oh, so you support death? And you try to argue morals. I'm having a big problem here." I've said it before and I'll say it again. Morality is relative. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3941/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| And the state-sanctioned killing people isn't dangerous and ignorant? I think that maybe America should pick up some Scandinavian morals if they really want some justification. Oh, and relative? I'm pretty sure the concepts of Natural Law and you know "thou shalt not kill" are pretty damned universal. Killing another human is bad and unnecessary. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4044/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Emperor Ziffatine Right. "I think that maybe America should pick up some Scandinavian morals if they really want some justification." What I meant by that was the difference in crime rates, it had nothing to do with rehabilitation. Rehab for most prisoners is just a bad idea due to the fact that they just become repeat offenders. If you let a child molestor out early, and he does it again, then you let him out early again and the same thing happesn, then I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Maybe you would, but I wouldn't. The fact is that most people do not change. Criminal tendencies are well engrained into a person. "Oh, and relative? I'm pretty sure the concepts of Natural Law and you know "thou shalt not kill" are pretty damned universal. Killing another human is bad and unnecessary." Just because you see it that way doesn't mean it's universal. A majority doesn't make something universal. And that's assuming that a majority does in fact feel that way. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3943/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| You know what, this is too far diametrically opposed. You believe that death is justified when it is state-sanctioned when people have politically opposed views to the government. I'm not even going to bother in this, because neither have us has brought proof to the table nor have either of us brought anything new to the argument. It's pretty boring. Either way, executions are morally wrong. They support a culture of death, something that should not be tolerated. They're unjustifiable in any case, as no human has the direct divine authority to grant someone the ability to make death moral. Murder is immoral. Those that commit it are bad people, no one argues this, but by sanctioning the murder of these people...How in the name of all that is good in this world...How is that justified? |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4046/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| They don't support a culture of death, it supports of culture of justice and order. Executions are not morally wrong, letting people off the hook so they can go out and do the same thing again, or worse, is morally wrong. The death penalty isn't even murder. People who do horrible things like rape and kill little children (or adults for that matter), people who turn on their country (in this manner), people who kidnap other people just to torture them for their own amusement and so on and so forth are people who do not belong in our society. They have something wrong in their head and no amount of rehabilitation can ever change that. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3946/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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So what do we do with the executioners. They just killed people  Last I checked, murder isn't a part of justice and order. So, when your judicial system supports murder...:o |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4047/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Emperor Ziffatine  For starters, the executioners had the legal go ahead to kill. Next, check again. And again I say, killing someone because of the death penalty is NOT MUDER. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3947/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| No, but then why is the murder of a person legalized? Can I go to the courts and ask to kill someone, because they have done something to harm me? What? No. Murder is murder is murder. Ending a human life is wrong. It cannot be morally justified. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4048/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Emperor Ziffatine Thrid time. It's not murder. Murder is both A) Against the law B) has to have some form of maliciousness to it. "Ending a human life is wrong. It cannot be morally justified." Not by your morals it can't. But by mine and several other people, it can. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 1609/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| I can think whatever the hell I want, Leg. However, once I kill someone, I should get in trouble. Supporting Al-Qaida is just an opinion, until I do something bad. They seem like terrorists to us, but nobody said we had to support the US. | |||
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4056/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by windwaker I know. And? I agree with you. But this guy had full intention of being an accessory to an act that would have caused damage to America/Americans. It's not like he just said "Fuck the USA". That's not a crime at all. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 1610/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| Um... yeah. And, I think he should be punished accordingly. However, this seems to have turned into a death penalty debate. |
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