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Sukasa Boomboom Error 349857348734534: The system experienced an error. Level: 57  Posts: 715/1981 EXP: 1446921 For next: 39007 Since: 02-06-05 From: *Shrug* Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| Yea, well, I use VB. Screw C or C++. people like you should be able to live with the fact that not everyone is a master of google. hell, google is pretty bad a being asked one thing, and spraying out everything but! It's done that for me before, so maybe that happened to RYjet911! | |||
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Kyoufu Kawa I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way. Level: 70  Posts: 1571/2481 EXP: 3008456 For next: 7355 Since: 03-19-04 From: Catgirl Central Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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| RYJet can choke on a search result for all I care and Disch was only named as a recent example, but I'm basically trying to cover -all- holy wars on this board, not just RYJet's. Love the nail gun example Neo. |
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Sukasa Boomboom Error 349857348734534: The system experienced an error. Level: 57 Posts: 726/1981 EXP: 1446921 For next: 39007 Since: 02-06-05 From: *Shrug* Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| good for you. I hope you succeed if you get the chance. | |||
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Kyoufu Kawa I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way. Level: 70 Posts: 1572/2481 EXP: 3008456 For next: 7355 Since: 03-19-04 From: Catgirl Central Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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| ...what you say? I fail to understand. | |||
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Sukasa Boomboom Error 349857348734534: The system experienced an error. Level: 57 Posts: 732/1981 EXP: 1446921 For next: 39007 Since: 02-06-05 From: *Shrug* Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| I meant that if you try to mod the programming forum, good luck. Also, I guess I would recommend you for t in conjunction with HH. | |||
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 4564/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I haven't actually applied for Programming, but I might if enough people think I should. Kawa should be great for it too, though, if he's not too overwhelmed from the Pok | |||
Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 407/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| I usually stay out of this forum -- in fact I think this is my first post in here ever -- but I felt compelled to speak up on the matter anyway. Yes, I encourage people to stay away from VB. Yes, when people are looking to learn VB, I try and show them why they should stay away and try to show them the alternatives. I usually don't get too crazy (although I probably annoyed HH more than I should have sometimes ^^, I do regret some of the posts I've made in his direction, although I'm really happy he's successfully moving on  ). As for the most recent example with RYjet, I was compelled to correct some of the falsehoods being stated by marble eater (most people do not have the .net framework installed), and I guess it got a little crazy.But anyway -- there's a difference between asking questions about VB... and asking for resources to learn VB. If you're looking for VB tutorials, it means you don't know VB, so it's not 'too late' to get you to go with something better. If you're already working on a VB project and need some help about something, it's not going to do a lot of good to suggest the person drop their project and rewrite it in another language. In my defense, when people ask VB related questions, I keep my nose out if I have nothing productive to add. And I even try to help out in any way I can (though I can't really give VB examples, I try to explain how my example could be applied to VB). But like I said -- when I see someone actually recommending VB for a starter language. Or someone looking to pick up VB for the first time... you better believe I'm going to step in and try to dissuade them. And I will continue to do so. I've known too many people (both online and in real life) who got pulled into a rut they couldn't recover from because they started with VB. And even more people who had their progression slowed WAY down because they killed 2 years of their life using VB only to ditch it and start the learning process all over. If I can save even one person that grief, it's worth it. And it's not so much that I'm pushing towards C/C++ -- it's more that I'm pushing away from VB. It's not that C is the super-greatest language... it's that VB is the super-worst. If you decide to go with VB anyway, I certainly can't stop you. But I figure one of 3 things is going to happen: 1) [best case] You'll realize "hey, he was right, I need to move to C/C++/delphi/Java/some other language now. VB is no longer enough to do what I want to do" 2) [bad case] You'll stick with VB and be convinced it's the greatest purely out of spite. Or 3) [worst case] The struggle and frustration causes you to quit programming entirely. Like I said many times in the past -- there's absolutely nobody on the planet who knows a 'mainstream' language (C/Delphi/Java/etc) and decides they want to switch to VB -- there's just no reason to. But anyway, I don't want to turn this into another VB vs. other languages debate -- I'm just trying to get my frame of mind across. So anyway... I guess I'm kind of sorry that your thread got a little crazy RYjet, but I'm certainly not sorry for anything I said. Nothing I said stopped anyone else from posting a link to 'help you out' (even though I think it'd be more harm than help) -- if I would have stayed out the thread wouldnt've gone any better for you -- all that would have changed was there only would have been like 2 posts and you wouldn't get to hear the pros/cons that surfaced when me and marble eater were debating. So actually, I think you're better off for it. Even if you totally hate my guts now. Only way I can see you being disserviced from this experience is if you now try to avoid C/C++ just out of spite because you're pissed at me. And I hope that doesn't happen  As for a new mod coming forward... I hope it doesn't change the board that much. Programming is like one of the few boards on acmlm's that I can actually stand. The people in there generally have a good head on their shoulders. (edited by Disch on 05-22-05 07:07 AM) |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1269/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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| Hey windwaker, here are some news: you are no mod. | |||
Teundusia Lantern Ghost Level: 41 Posts: 388/760 EXP: 449109 For next: 31036 Since: 07-31-04 Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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| I'd suppport you too for the programming forum Kawa. This bit is kind of repeating from an earlier post And when people say "Ooo search google" for the 14 hundredth time, it gets boring saying "What the hell do you think I've done? Sat like a bloody lemon watching the screen waiting for VB.NET/Whatever language that person wanted to learn to suddenly pop into my head just like *clicks fingers* that???" It just gets so frustrating getting the "Dont do that, do this, it's better" and "search google n00b!". It might just happen like what Darkflight said earlier, that google may be giving stupid results i dont need/cant use. |
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Ramsus Octoballoon Level: 19 Posts: 71/162 EXP: 34651 For next: 1126 Since: 01-24-05 From: United States Since last post: 39 days Last activity: 71 days |
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| This is the closest thing to a beginner's tutorial on VB.NET I could find, and it was on the 3rd page of a google search looking specifically for "VB.NET Tutorial Introduction Computer Programming." What does this mean? There probably aren't that many (IF ANY) good tutorials on VB.NET for beginners out there (I tried a variety of other searches and used a few directories, and found ONE tutorial). However, a few of the results did pop up book reviews that sounded right up your alley. Visual Basic turns up many more tutorials. C, C++, and Java turn up even more. I wonder why you're having so much trouble learning computer programming. |
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dan Snap Dragon Level: 43  Posts: 585/782 EXP: 534516 For next: 30530 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 20 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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| Yes, a lot of the searches for VB.NET tutorials come up with classic Visual Basic tutorials, and even C# tutorials. I learned all I needed to know from this book. Although, it's been a long time since I read it, so judging from the blurb about it, you may need to know classic VB. Reading books are easily the best way to learn programming languages. |
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Teundusia Lantern Ghost Level: 41 Posts: 391/760 EXP: 449109 For next: 31036 Since: 07-31-04 Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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| but im sure i heard from someone before, not sure who but it was when i asked for programming tutorials on something else before... "Whatever you can learn in a book you can learn for free on the internet" That phrase has just been flushed down the drain (SMB Super Show quote  ) |
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Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 408/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| No, that phrase is true. At least in this case. It just might be harder to find the information on the internet -- whereas it would be arranged neatly for you in a book. It's certainly possible to learn everything you need to know about programming using only the internet and no books. Dan said it was the best way -- he didn't say it was the only way. |
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Tails Shyguy Level: 15 Posts: 69/98 EXP: 13910 For next: 2474 Since: 04-10-05 From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Since last post: 139 days Last activity: 10 days |
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| I don't think the people in that forum are mean, I'm sure we just.. misunderstand them. | |||
windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1587/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by knuck 1) You're still a douche. 2) That doesn't make sense anyway. You don't need to be a moderator to know that people are really helping. |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 4587/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Maybe I'm just a freak, but contrary to what a lot of you are saying: -I've never read a book on programming (except one on ASM, but I was too young to understand it so I didn't really read much more than a few things that confused me). -Having used VB for a few years didn't at all affect my ability to learn C. In fact, getting familliar with the API through VB made C pretty easy. (Though a good part of it as well is that my copy of Visual Studio got corrupt and I can't get another any time soon, so I unexpectedly found myself quitting 'cold turkey'. )I'll agree that in most cases, telling someone they should start out with VB isn't the best idea. However there are cases where you can tell that the person is a total n00b who would just be confused out of their head by a low-level language like C. VB at least helps them learn a bit about programming in general. Also, when someone asks for something and you reply "I found it in 2 milliseconds on Google n00b", at least have the decency to say what you searched for and link to the result. Knowing that one of Google's 8,058,044,651 possible results is the one you want doesn't help much. There's been plenty of times when I couldn't find something on it no matter what I searched for, only to have someone else get it on their first try. Google is powerful but it's not magic.  |
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Snekey91 Micro-Goomba Re-registered account (Gavin) Level: 5 Posts: 4/11 EXP: 440 For next: 89 Since: 06-09-05 Since last post: 146 days Last activity: 146 days |
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Originally posted by Grey Jedi Cheveyo no, how aout because VB is a terrible fucking language. frankly, half the people that start out with VB don't have either the will power or staying power as other programmers and probably won't amount to much. starting out with a language like c++ is much better for anyone interested in computers. you can argue RAD all you want, but if you're even a tid bit serious, you will see how c++ is better. Originally posted by Darkflight don't make me laugh. he's a freaking moron. |
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Tanookirby Bullet Bill Level: 30 Posts: 45/509 EXP: 152637 For next: 13232 Since: 05-09-05 Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I learned much of the basics of C++ in a college programming class. That may be one of the best ways to learn the language. | |||
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 4890/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Snekey91Originally posted by Darkflight Says the guy who re-regged and bumped a topic just to post a flame. |
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Toxic in a sublime state of mind Level: 75  Posts: 2742/2857 EXP: 3732709 For next: 94195 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Yeah really, you talk about making the board a better place, but all you have to contribute is a bunch of half assed flames. |
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