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Graviteh Level: 31 Posts: 238/500 EXP: 165989 For next: 19374 Since: 03-27-05 From: The Internet Since last post: 42 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| In my school (Today is the first day of summer! 727 BITCH!) the students with the highest grades easily do their job. I go to Pinellas park High School, and there is a huge gap between the 3.0s and up and the 2.5s and below. I have gone as far as to mimic their lives, maybe their lifestyle is what makes them high achievers? Oh, yes, anyhow, I can name three students from the top of my head. Their first names are Duc, Abdullah and Maida. Obviously not american born. All three of them hate me (everyone in school hates me) Except Duc, whom I talk to everyday. He is the most passive person you will ever see, yet he mostly gets dean's list. He tells me all about him. Typical anime person. Gamer. I don't get it. So, do you think it's JUST the foreigners who are able to gracefully get these high grades? It's bugging me. School's over and I'm still franticly worrying about my school performance. I have a 2.3-2.5 something. please reply. I'm bugged and bored. |
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NSNick Laidback Admin Level: 85  Posts: 2256/3875 EXP: 5895841 For next: 2699 Since: 03-15-04 From: North Side School: OSU Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 1835/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| It's a cultural thing, but it also depends upon the family. Some foreign cultures put heavy emphasis on academic achievement. I'm inclined to say asians aret the most conspicuous of that sort, but in my experience my old Chinese boss told me his daughter didn't need anymore school (college). But that's probably b/c he ran a restaurant and wanted her to take over managing his, or other new restaurants he opens. So again it depends upon the family and the disposition. If you're concerned about your GPA, I'd suggest you consult with your teachers or your counselors. Sometimes you can lost points b/c your academic strategies don't fit well with the teachers you have. (edited by MathOnNapkins on 05-17-05 12:50 PM) |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 1913/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Some High-Achievers that are American-born  * Steven Spielberg * Steve Jobs * George Lucas * Bill Gates |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 3041/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| it's just a matter of how much people try plus, it depends on how involved parents are in their students education--if you lookat private schools, the students there are mostly gifted with a wide range of backgrounds. In addition, at my university, everyone of every background excels--whether their strength lies in engineering, science, or humanities--there is one of everyone in each area |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 1342/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by GravitehMaybe you don't think things through before you speak them or write them down, including on tests. Often times, the way you write on a message board would reflect what you would do on an exam. I am American born, and I think I'm pretty smart. I never tried to emulate the life of another - I lived my own life my own way. Perhaps this is where you're going wrong. You, along with many people your age and older, are trying to emulate peers. You need to be your own person. |
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The SomerZ Summer, yay! Level: 45  Posts: 746/862 EXP: 618182 For next: 41982 Since: 03-15-04 From: Norway Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| If you look around, you'll find lots of non-Americans that are complete lazy-asses. You'll also find a lot of Americans that work really hard. Generally, people who are "different" from the majority tend to stick out, and thus it is a lot easier for you to notice them. | |||
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Yoshi Dude XKEEPER STOLE MY CAR KEYS Level: 79  Posts: 2038/3271 EXP: 4572680 For next: 6787 Since: 03-15-04 From: give me a number folks. Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Graviteh, your GPA sucks because you're lazy and don't apply yourself. I'm also willing to bet you greatly distorted those facts. I can name three students from the top of my head. Nice. |
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Sandy53215 Acmlm (10:55:31 PM): they're having fun for the first time in so long Level: 47  Posts: 538/948 EXP: 713034 For next: 53169 Since: 03-15-04 From: Milwaukee, Wisconsin (U.S.A) Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by neotransotaku Perfectly said. Some part of this could be because the IB program was started in Europe. Its moving more rapidly accross America as well though... |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1595/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Actually, I know quite a few foreigners in my school that are complete douches, and are now, as the term goes, 'KICKIN IN THE VTEC, YO'. However, that doesn't mean all of them are. | |||
alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 3829/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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I consistently outperform a variety of Asians at everything, from sports to math. I guess I must be Asian too. Or wait, maybe they just don't work at all. |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67 Posts: 1837/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| Btw, what I said about Asians was motivated by the fact that if, by some chance you ended up passing through the university library on a friday or saturday night, the only people there would be asians. All the Americans are out partying. Not that a lot of Asians don't as well... | |||
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62  Posts: 1495/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| It could be a range of things, and perhaps we'll never be able to guess because unless we found out for ourselves, we simply won't know. However, in many unlikely countries outside of the western world it's common for kids to have a reading age that's twice their counterparts in America, Britain France, Canada or Germany. I'm willing to say that as far as Britain goes, children do not do enough reading outside schools because some parents take it for granted that the schools take care of it. I don't think children under five should be playing computer games. I think we spend more time worrying about whether we're doing the right thing than actually getting around to teaching the kids something. On that note, a little personal story... I'm a member of the "guinea-pig year group" in the UK. All the kids that would eventually become the "Class of 2000" were the first to go through a number of exams: Exams at year two, Primary Schools (6 years old) SATs at year-six, Primary Schools (11 years old) SATs at year-nine, Secondary Schools (14 years old) AS Levels at year-twelve, College / Sixth Form (17 years old) A2 Exams at year-thirteen, College / Sixth Form (18 years old) We were also studying the following which had not changed at all: GCSE Mocks, Secondary Schools, (15 years old) GCSEs, Secondary Schools, (16 years old) Considering that only one of these exams had an equivilant before the change, that's four extra examination periods that we had to sit than the year above. Also, these exams were all new and untested, so there were marking problems and new syllabuses that nobody knew what to do with. Also, consider from the age of 14, I had exams each May for another four years! |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 2983/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Dude, they aren't smart, you're just not trying. I didn't try and now I'm in the whole a little bit. My GPA is probably 2.8 or 2.9 right now, my average is a 3.7. Sure, all the finals will help since I can ace those without a problem, but it would've helped a lot more if I tried. There's the difference, some people try, others don't. Just because you have a different skin color doesn't make you any different. |
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Halo2-tankwhore Goomba Level: 9  Posts: 15/30 EXP: 2833 For next: 329 Since: 01-09-05 From: I'm being that kid... Since last post: 161 days Last activity: 161 days |
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| Actually, I read this in my Psychology book last semester. There are certain cultural differences. In America, if the student isn't doing well then it is the schools' fault and only going to a better school can fix it. In other countries such as Japan, if a student isn't doing well then it's the students fault. No matter how bad the school is, the student simply isn't trying hard enough. Therefore, when people from these countries come here, they study their asses off because they think that you aren't just born being smart. You have to work for it. | |||
Ramadan Roy Like Like ...Or you'll be wearing your ass for a hat. Renowned Otaku Level: 44 Posts: 635/816 EXP: 569705 For next: 41580 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| You people should begin to learn that excelling in grades or school in general doesn't really prove anything. And if you think all "foreigners" are straight A students and such, come to my school. I guess I'm a foreigner too because I have an "odd" name. "Asians" are the same as the rest of humans; there are hard workers and lazy people and everybody in between. Sometimes "foreign" students are inclined to do better for many reasons. And sometimes they don't get better grades. Everywhere, you will find those who are driven to excel because of having a hard life, while there are those who don't try harder for the same reasons. It's the same everywhere. It's not necessarily due to culture. Reasons are endless. There's no point in trying to find people's motives for failing/succeeding in school/college/work because it won't help you. Education takes two people; a teacher and a student. But I feel that it is more important to learn on your own because nobody can make you. Also, you shouldn't feel stupid because people you know out perform you in school. Therefore, you shouldn't judge people based on such accomplishments; instead you should find your own strong points and don't limit yourself to school. | |||
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 1496/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| I went through school life thinking I wasn't smart enough. There were teachers who'd have so much contempt for me because they thought I wasn't a bright kid and I was uninterested. Those kind of judgements and the atmosphere in general at school really made school life a total piece of shit. You feel like you're being pushed through for the governors and the government. I came to university to learn what I wanted to learn and I worked for myself. It was the best thing I ever did  |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 1347/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Meh, I dunno. I never worked hard in school. Everyone said I reminded them of "Sponge" from "Salute your shorts" because I never paid attention in school, yet I got A's on everything. Even at the University of Scranton, one of the highest ranked universities in the US, I barely paid attention at all, studied very little, and still managed to get decent grades considering how rarely I went to class, how little I studied, and compounded with the depression I was going through at the time. I look back and laugh at it all. Tee-Hee! |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 2282/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Yiffy Kitten Yeah, some of us are just lucky. This has been my last year in high school. The amount of time I spent actually doing schoolwork can be summed up quite easily with the words "Jack" and "Shit", yet my grades are the best that they've ever been in any of my years in school. I'm so "American" (read: Fat, White, Lazy) that it goes from not even being funny to being fucking hilarious, yet I do perfectly fine. This *may* be because the American education system has been on a steady decline (in my opinion anyway) since the No Child Left Behind Act was passed, or I could just have really good information retention and processing skills. Considering I can't even remember what I ate for dinner 15 minutes ago, I'm guessing it ain't my brain. |
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Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81  Posts: 1868/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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Originally posted by GreybaccaOriginally posted by Yiffy Kitten This is all I've heard from some of the Seniors I know at my school too (myself being a Junior). In fact, I've pretty much heard exactly that. I have a friend who does almost NOTHING at all, and just by the type of person he is you can quickly tell he is ultimately lazy. Yet, he holds about a 3.4 GPA, straight B's and A's, when he hardly does any work at all. Junior year is supposedly the hardest year from what I hear. I can say it was definitely harder than my Sophmore year, but still nothing near impossible. It was just all the assessments, and ACT's, and things like that that I think made it more of a "stressfull" year. I'm looking forward to my Senior year though, all of my friends say it's great. Edit: Yes, overall it's probably the American Education system. I've heard some very crazy things about schools in China, and what they could be learning in like the 2nd Grade. (Algebra? Maybe that's far fetched, but I'm pretty sure I've heard they have some seriously advanced teaching there) (edited by Darth Xeodious on 05-18-05 01:49 PM) (edited by Darth Xeodious on 05-18-05 01:51 PM) |
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