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Cymoro
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Posted on 05-07-05 12:44 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by GRAVITEH
Originally posted by Gavin
graviteh's gay for spiderman.


quoted for truth


Kasumi: The active mod argument doesn't really apply to all situations. For example, Emuz is the owner of the Akron server. However, his job does not require interaction with board members, therefore he doesn't need to be active. A local mod, however, may need to be more active, since they would need to know what is going on in their domain that they preside over.

Still, I think Tom, ||bass, and Blades (who does post) would become a bit more active if they became admins again.


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Posted on 05-07-05 01:00 AM Link | Quote
Ok, honestly maybe we all should make campaign signs and just campaign everywhere. I dont mind any of the old staff members. None of them! But these staff threads are getting quite retarded to be honest...
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Go to general art and look at the acmlm topic. DRAMA OLOOL

or go see titanic. Fun movie
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Posted on 05-07-05 01:59 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cymoro
Kasumi: The active mod argument doesn't really apply to all situations. For example, Emuz is the owner of the Akron server. However, his job does not require interaction with board members, therefore he doesn't need to be active. A local mod, however, may need to be more active, since they would need to know what is going on in their domain that they preside over.

That's true, but Emuz we'd already agreed that we wouldn't touch Emuz because he virtually co-owns the board in all but name. Like Blades, I think we asked him (or was going to ask) if he'd want to step down, but he declined.


Still, I think Tom, ||bass, and Blades (who does post) would become a bit more active if they became admins again.

Although I tend to agree, I think it's a bad thing to say about them. Hopefully they'll stay whatever happens, but they'd already earned the right to the big yellow name and they'll be top of the list when the time comes to sort the staff out.


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Posted on 05-07-05 02:19 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Blades
I'm always here.

You're just not reading the good forums.

Oh, sorry. Well, you have posted here now and then. I just didn't notice. :/ And I read most of them, just dosen't post every thread I read. :/
Originally posted by Yiffy Kitten
I knew I wouldn't have your support. In fact, I counted on it. I have seen the way you and Kitten Yiffer kiss my ass upfront, but talk about me behind my back.
...me talking behind your back while kissing your ass "upfront"? Uhm... that comment was way uncalled for. I hadn't anything personally against you for over a year now. Nor I don't want any reason to get any grudge against you now. Don't drag me in any grudge you and Trapster may have...

Heh, techincally ||bass is the most powerful staff member on the board. Being the one who backups and can change a few server settings, he could as well be a admin on the board. Never did understand why he got unadminned in the first place...


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Gavin has good logic.

Other than that, NSNick for admin.

He is a Jedi.
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Umm... NSNick is already an admin, last I checked.
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Posted on 05-07-05 03:48 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kasumi Skywalker
Originally posted by Cymoro


Still, I think Tom, ||bass, and Blades (who does post) would become a bit more active if they became admins again.

Although I tend to agree, I think it's a bad thing to say about them. Hopefully they'll stay whatever happens, but they'd already earned the right to the big yellow name and they'll be top of the list when the time comes to sort the staff out.


Also, phrased this way, it's like "I want them to be active so admin them otherwise they won't post". I don't know if this is true or not, but I don't think their interest level should be related to their power level (IE "I'm not staff so why bother").

Anyway, my thoughts on the board as a whole have been discussed in the staff area. But to restate the key points:

-Acmlm is rarely seen on the boards (I can't speak for IRC, etc.)
-This gives the impression that he is not particularly interested in what goes on around here (Again, I could be wrong).
-It is thus weird to me that as staff, we either go running asking his opinion (Which may not be as well-informed as it could be as he's rarely here), or when there's conflict, BOTH sides try to sway him to their end (And then accuse the other side of "Manipulating" him, as happened with the staff reorganization; if he's really THAT easily manipulated, this brings up questions of a whole different sort as regards his leadership abilities).
-To go further with this, people unquestioningly accept "It says Acmlm's Board at the top, thus he's the leader", without stopping to think whether he really even wants to be the leader anymore, or if he's being the best leader he can..blah, you know what I mean. To use an analogy I first brought up in the staff area, "He's the king, if you will, and thus has the final say. But is it really good idea to consult a king who has no particular interest in ruling his kingdom?"
-In short, either Ace needs to make his presence more felt (And show that it's his board in something besides name now), OR we need some new blood to come in and effectively "lead" the board, because Ace seems to be little more than a figurehead now.

You may now crucify me.

Oh, and as for my opinions on Yiffy Kitten/||bass/Blades for admin:

Yiffy Kitten, as long as you can avoid flipping out like you did (As there's no other way to put it) when you got destaffed, I'd be willing to let bygones be bygones (As I recall, we had some heated words during the fallout of the last reorganization) and work alongside you.

||bass seems to be happy in his current role; it's my understanding that he effectively has power via PMA access if he really wants to use it anyway.

I haven't seen Blades post much, but then I think the two of us are in our own little corners of the board and rarely interact.

And that's that.
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Posted on 05-07-05 03:52 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Darth Xeodious
Gavin has good logic.

Other than that, NSNick for admin.

He is a Jedi.
*NSNick is in the background, making a waving motion with his hand and mumbling something*

What?
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Posted on 05-07-05 03:58 AM Link | Quote
wow Cymoro, editing quotes is a really nice and effective way of coming back at someone.
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Posted on 05-07-05 05:27 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by GRAVITEH
wow Cymoro, editing quotes is a really nice and effective way of coming back at someone with a cock in his mouth.


I know, nice tactic, right?

Emptyeye: Here's the thing: There's too many people who owe a changed life (however that may had been, maybe you stiffed a waiter and then proceeded to kidney punch him because of a thread about beets) because of him and making this board. And for those whose lives didn't change radically, it just helped communicate hacked ROMs, and helped friends meet others. Because of him.

Eh, I wouldn't call him a king or a figurehead, more like a town guru that happens to condone forum raids.
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Posted on 05-07-05 05:41 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Emptyeye

-To go further with this, people unquestioningly accept "It says Acmlm's Board at the top, thus he's the leader", without stopping to think whether he really even wants to be the leader anymore, or if he's being the best leader he can..blah, you know what I mean. To use an analogy I first brought up in the staff area, "He's the king, if you will, and thus has the final say. But is it really good idea to consult a king who has no particular interest in ruling his kingdom?"
-In short, either Ace needs to make his presence more felt (And show that it's his board in something besides name now), OR we need some new blood to come in and effectively "lead" the board, because Ace seems to be little more than a figurehead now.

You are basically saying that Ace should leave his own board.
Wow I didn't think you people would go this far.
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Posted on 05-07-05 05:45 AM Link | Quote
Um, no he's not. What he's basically saying is that Ace doesn't necessarily care about the board anymore and shouldn't be counted on as the final word, and perhaps someone else should step in to take his place. Now, I've always known you to be rather in-fucking-sane, but seriously now, I hear reading comprehension is---


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Posted on 05-07-05 05:48 AM Link | Quote
Or in other words, he pretty much said "let Colleen take over".
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Posted on 05-07-05 06:05 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kyouji Craw
Um, no he's not. What he's basically saying is that Ace doesn't necessarily care about the board anymore and shouldn't be counted on as the final word, and perhaps someone else should step in to take his place. Now, I've always known you to be rather in-fucking-sane, but seriously now, I hear reading comprehension is---


This is basically it.

I realize it sounds as though I'm attempting to incite some sort of revolt against Ace, which really isn't my goal at all. I do think a clarification as to how he regards the board (From his own lips...hands, whatever) is in order. Everyone is saying "Ace is absolute law, listen to him" and so on, not stopping to consider that maybe he no longer wants this responsibility, and if he feels as though he's being forced into a responsiblity he doesn't want, he's almost certainly not going to do as well as he's capable of doing in that role.

And I never said anything about Colleen taking over, though he's admittedly a viable candidate. I do think that someone (Maybe Colleen, maybe not) more active should step into that co-leadership role if possible (Or ideally, Ace should prove all my doubts wrong and return to the board more full-time).
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Posted on 05-07-05 06:10 AM Link | Quote
Acmlm isn't around any more for a reason.

Did any of you ever stop to think WHAT that reason is?

How much has Acmlm posted since I left, Jiz left, Phil left, knuck and Leg were banned, and others left?

That's what I thought..

See, idiots are left free to post whatever garbage they want, while other members are labeled "Spammers" or "Flamers" and banned. All against Acmlm's wishes.

No, we can't read his mind. But we can try to run things better so he comes back. The board ISNT past the point of no return. As long as it still says Acmlm's Board, there's still hope.
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Posted on 05-07-05 06:25 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Yiffy Kitten
Acmlm isn't around any more for a reason.

Did any of you ever stop to think WHAT that reason is?

How much has Acmlm posted since I left, Jiz left, Phil left, knuck and Leg were banned, and others left?

That's what I thought..



The problem with this argument is that it implies there's a correlation between his being active and these events not taking place. From what I can see, he's been practically inactive since long before said events. For the record, I found knuck to be one of those people who incited confrontation for its own sake (Though I disagree with the way the ban happened, I also think he eventually would truly have brought it on himself anyway).

Originally posted by Yiffy Kitten

See, idiots are left free to post whatever garbage they want, while other members are labeled "Spammers" or "Flamers" and banned. All against Acmlm's wishes.



Has he told you as much? Or are you taking "Against Acmlm's wishes" to mean "Against my wishes and I'm his friend so he must agree with me"? If he really has a problem with it, he should really make his opinion known about it. Ace, I saw you in this forum a few minutes ago, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on these matters in your own words.

Originally posted by Yiffy Kitten

No, we can't read his mind. But we can try to run things better so he comes back. The board ISNT past the point of no return. As long as it still says Acmlm's Board, there's still hope.


I do agree with you that we're not past the point of no return, and indeed, I don't even think it's as bad as people have made it out to be. I'm just throwing out the idea that perhaps Acmlm isn't the only one who has the ability to return the board to its former glory, whatever that may mean. For that matter, trying to "recreate past magic" may not be the solution at all.
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Posted on 05-07-05 06:28 AM Link | Quote
[21:11:03] <Yiffy Kitten> http://board.acmlm.org/thread.php?id=12031&page=2#235612
[21:11:14] <Yiffy Kitten> Am I right Ace? heh
[21:12:08] <@Acmlm> sounds about right
[21:12:27] <Yiffy Kitten> You should say that
[21:12:40] <Yiffy Kitten> Tell everyone why you dont post
[21:13:33] <Yiffy Kitten> Why don't you? It is your board
[21:13:37] <Yiffy Kitten> You do still care, right?
[21:13:47] <@Acmlm> enough to lurk and read threads like this
[21:13:59] <Yiffy Kitten> Well, why dont you just post
[21:14:10] <Yiffy Kitten> Hell, if you need to, grab a beer or something, relax, loosen up
[21:14:14] <Yiffy Kitten> And let your feelings fly
[21:14:23] <Yiffy Kitten> Holding it all in like this isn't good
[21:14:42] <@Acmlm> ok
[21:15:01] <Yiffy Kitten> Besides
[21:15:03] <knuck> "ok"?
[21:15:07] <Yiffy Kitten> Nobody is a mind reader
[21:15:08] <knuck>
[21:15:10] <@Acmlm> ok like I should do it tonight or something

He might. It's all you can hope for.

I might not be a mind reader, BUT I do still manage to get Acmlm's input enough to know what HE thinks.
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Posted on 05-07-05 06:59 AM Link | Quote
Okay, cool.

As I said above, I'd love for him to post and let us know what he thinks. If that conversation is any indication, he at least reads the threads, and I don't think it would take that much effort to post in one of said threads. If nothing else, it would show me that he does, in fact, still care about what goes on. And yes, he should do it tonight...he can grab six beers if he so chooses, as long as I (And the board as a whole, of course, though I'm mainly the one questioning him at this point) know where he stands after the fact.

And you're right, we can't read his mind...I personally can only draw my own conclusions based on what I've seen here at the boards. As for the events you mentioned in a previous post (Various bannings/people leaving), I'm starting to think that what you meant was that they were a good reason why he STAYED inactive as opposed to becoming inactive in the first place. But I'm mainly arguing semantics at this point.
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