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JR11 Rex Level: 35  Posts: 444/533 EXP: 278666 For next: 1270 Since: 06-07-04 From: Po-Town, ON Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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...I was on a religion retreat when I heard the news. It's really sad to see him go, and yes, I did cry. It sucks too - I wanted to be able to see him when I go to World Youth Day this year... Originally posted by Sawnec Man... he was the leader of the Catholic faith! (edited by JR11 on 04-02-05 07:13 PM) |
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Keitaro Iron Knuckle ウラシマ ケイタロウ Level: 54 Posts: 1175/1342 EXP: 1201569 For next: 32301 Since: 03-15-04 From: Hinata, Japan Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Proving once again Kario is simply a dick. The Pope was a man loved by many, and he did some great things in his lifetime. No, I can't personaly name any, and he never did anything which directly effected me. However, to many, this man changed lives. And now that this man is dead, to them it is indeed a sad day. Would you say the same thing in a thread where someone said "my mom died"? Actualy, knowing you, you probably would. "Why is this thread open? People die all the time. This thread should not have been posted. Watch me unjustifyably be a dick" If you aren't sadden, no one is asking you to be. But show a little decency towards the people who are. | |||
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 7705/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| If this wasn't important, then we wouldn't have all the TV networks switching to coverage of the death and we wouldn't hear talk about this possibly being one of the biggest gatherings of heads of state (for the funeral) of all time. Bottom line is, this Pope was one of the most influencial of all time, the second-longest reigning Pope and a man who was loved by many. I can understand not agreeing with some of his policies, but he was an incredibly charming and smart man; he certainly didn't have a lacklustre reign. And I dare any future Pope to even try and match his total number of trips. He will be greatly missed, and whoever takes over has pretty big shoes to fill. The last World Youth Day the Pope did was Toronto in 2003 - his third official visit to Canada, actually. You could tell he was getting weaker but it was still great to see him showing up and trying his hardest to show strength to the youths assembled. |
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Kario In Possession of a Stolen Shovel Level: 65 Posts: 1673/2082 EXP: 2321379 For next: 14249 Since: 03-15-04 From: Texas... Yeehaw! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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Originally posted by Keitaro Once again? When was I proven to be a dick before? I am stating my opinion, the Pope was a person just like me, no one special, at least as far as I am concerned. Sure it sucks that it died, but it sucks when anyone dies, so why is this one so special? I know some people are sad about his death, but religious people have no reason to be sad. If you believe in heaven and hell, surely he went there right? Then why is it sad? Did you lose him? Did he do anything that affected you in any way at all? Or was he just the head honcho of the religion your parents made you? (edited by Sawnec on 04-02-05 08:28 PM) |
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Lilmario Hoarder crappy custom title! Level: 31  Posts: 183/367 EXP: 171741 For next: 13622 Since: 03-15-04 From: The land of Leprachauns <3 Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Kario, have a little compassion. You're free to state your opinions, but are they really helping? Lots of people are in mourning. He was important to them, and to me. We don't need you making it worse now do we? | |||
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Kario In Possession of a Stolen Shovel Level: 65 Posts: 1675/2082 EXP: 2321379 For next: 14249 Since: 03-15-04 From: Texas... Yeehaw! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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| I am not trying to make it worse, I am just encouraging people to be their own person. A huge portion of every religion is only that way because their parents made them grow up that way. They have never looked around to find beliefs of their own. | |||
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 7709/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| This is the only Pope that I'd guess 99.99% of the board members know of, so of course it's going to be shocking when he passes away. He's pretty much "the guy" that people think of when they think of religious leaders. And add to that all his travels and all the lives that he touched (including going to several places that no Popes dared to go before) and you could make a pretty good argument that he *did* affect the lives of several people. Stop trolling, Kario; if those are your opinions, then I'd keep them to yourself. Official (and final) warning. |
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Kario In Possession of a Stolen Shovel Level: 65 Posts: 1676/2082 EXP: 2321379 For next: 14249 Since: 03-15-04 From: Texas... Yeehaw! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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| Alright, I will leave the subject alone, but can I have permission to have my own thread about this? No, I wont bash religions or the pope or anything, but if people can voice their own opinion in here and I cant, then I want to have my own thread. | |||
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 7713/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Nope, because it still serves the same purpose. I think that at the moment, it's probably not a good idea to have "pro-Pope" and "anti-Pope" threads. As long as everyone shows some common sense and respect in this thread, things should be fine. | |||
Darth Roflbbq Buzz Blob Level: 26  Posts: 204/299 EXP: 98407 For next: 3868 Since: 11-05-04 Since last post: 163 days Last activity: 163 days |
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| I'm not religious at ALL, but I'm sad the pope died. He's been through so much, and it's a shame. Well, I suppose we can't live forever. I hope the new pope (whoever he may be) can live up to his title. |
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Silvershield Slime Level: 30 Posts: 332/345 EXP: 153029 For next: 12840 Since: 04-11-04 From: New Jersey Since last post: 60 days Last activity: 6 hours |
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| Not to stray from the topic of this thread but, Kario, I'm insulted that you insinuate that I am Catholic only because I was brought up that way. I follow the Catholic faith, not blindly because my inferior God-believing mind cannot fathom free thought, but because my personal values are such a close match to those championed by it. If anything, my childhood education in the faith was a head-start of sorts, perhaps exposing me to a religion that I ultimately found fitting for myself. In any case, don't be ridiculous and insist that any who mourns a pious man cannot truly believe in his ascent to Heaven. There's no doubt that the Pope is with God, but I grieve because it is only natural to miss the departed. Call me selfish, not considering his eternal bliss and instead focusing on my own loss, but that's for you to say. |
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iamhiro1112 Armos Level: 35  Posts: 341/487 EXP: 259927 For next: 20009 Since: 03-27-04 From: sd Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 7 days |
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| Got to learn to let go Kario. There's plenty of other places U can go to vent ur feelings bout the pope. Anyway, I am wondering what the exact time of Pope was. I know when it was announced but he could of died earlier. I think it was announced a hour or more before this announcement that funeral arrangements were being made for him so he may of been dead at that time. Then again there was a moment a day before where the light was out during the night and people took that as a sign he passed away. I guess we won't know till the vatican gives us the exact time. Not that it matters, but I'm curious just the same. |
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Kario In Possession of a Stolen Shovel Level: 65 Posts: 1683/2082 EXP: 2321379 For next: 14249 Since: 03-15-04 From: Texas... Yeehaw! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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| I am curious about the person who will take his place....does anyone know anything about the guy? | |||
Steak Zora Level: 35  Posts: 396/507 EXP: 278751 For next: 1185 Since: 03-16-04 From: Ohio University Since last post: 195 days Last activity: 195 days |
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| My of m' mother's side is Catholic. So are a number of the people I fence with, and a few a formerly Catholic. I'm not...hell, I'm not even Christian anymore. But he was a good man. And hopefully his successor will be like him. We need more people like John Paul II in charge. | |||
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iamhiro1112 Armos Level: 35 Posts: 342/487 EXP: 259927 For next: 20009 Since: 03-27-04 From: sd Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 7 days |
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| I think its usually one of the bishops that succeeds him. I don't really know the selection proccess tho. | |||
The Guru of Furu Ninji Level: 26  Posts: 152/240 EXP: 90642 For next: 11633 Since: 03-18-04 From: Cali Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| About the selection process, a collection of cardinals will meet to discuss when the selection will occur in a few days. After the 9 days of mourning and funeral they will meet to actuall discuss the next pope. There are basicaly two ways that the Church can go from here. They could chose a Italian cardinal, going with the safe choice that will not bring about much change in the Church, or they could go, with what I believe should be done, a Cardinal from the third world, like Latin America or Africa, where nearly 80% of all Catholics live. Interesting note, JPII was the second Pope who wasn't italian, the other one being a Pope centuries ago from France. And JPII was the third longest in office for Pope. Some people speculate that the Church will select a Pope who is older, who will not be in the Papacy for nearly three decades, but I really don't know much about what the Cardinals think about this. Well, I seriously doubt that he died at any time other than the time they announced. Some reasons for this. 1) It wasn't a sudden death, everyone knew that he was getting near the end of his life, he knew it, that's why he said that he was dying and did not want to go to the hospital. 2) There are very specific actions that are meant to be taken when a pope dies and delaying those actions is very, not sacriligious, but just not right. The light in his room was off whenever he was sleeping, and on when he wanted it. Also, though I do believe that there are people who believe in their religions because they were told to by their parents, or they were brought up that way, but many people are not that way. In fact, there are many new catholics that didn't become baptised until they were adults, free from their parents, and fully thought out in their beliefs. I know for me, going through public school, being religious was not something that was really "popular" so I haven't been really religious until recently, when I got out on my own and realized that the Catholic religion fit me perfectly. One last thing, this was no ordinary man, and it has nothing to do with the fact that he was Pope and everything to do with the things he did and stood for. For one, he was the first pope ever to go into a jewish synagogue and a Muslim Mosque. He was the first Pope to acknowledge the faults of the Catholic church in not responding to the Holocaust and openly believed that all religions had their purpose on earth and that everyone was one of God's children. Another thing that he did was to stand up for the poor and oppressed and was not affraid to say this. Many Popes did not stand up against the developed world, but JPII did voice his opposition to the excess of the modern world, especially the United States. I know many people in the modern world might be offend by this, but as a Catholic it really is to be expected. We are supposed to look out for those who are less fortunate than we are and when you have people that amass great wealth, in the 10s or even 100s of millions who are driving around in cars that cost more htan a house, there is definately something wrong. I'm not saying it should be forced, but those people should be giving most of their earnings to helping the poor. There is no need for one to have a car that can go 300kph. Finaly, he was not afraid of opposing the Church as well. He openly stated his anger about priests who molested children and support the Catholic doctrines and traditions that some would say are not necessary. He supported them because he believed in them and was not willing to give up things that he believed in to make life easier for others. He was a great man who did many great things in trying to bring about peace and show people how to live a life for others. He is a great man and will be missed. And as to why it is sad, it is sad because we have lost him. In our hearts we are glad that he is going to heaven but just because we know this does not mean we are sad. Maybe it is selfishness, I don't know, but you can't expect people not to mourn. When someone's wife/husband or family member or good friend dies they are sad. Even if they believe that that person is in heaven they are still sad to never see them during this life. (edited by The Guru of Furu on 04-03-05 02:38 AM) |
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Domin189 Mini Octorok Level: 6  Posts: 9/14 EXP: 823 For next: 84 Since: 02-28-05 From: Poland Since last post: 121 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| Hello... I come from Poland. Through 3 days in our polish TV were only informations about the health of Jan Pawel II (John Paul 2). We were praying for him, all the time of his disease... Polish people had never have such a great human... We loved him, he loved us. But... Did we heard everything, what he wanted to tell us? ... Smiled. Loved. Smart. From Poland... ... Remember him, because we will never get such a Pope. Vatican has needed a polish pope - Karol Wojtyla (Pope's real name) changed many things in the world. Janie Pawle II, kochamy Ci |
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Darth Coby Vire Dacht je nou echt dat het over was? Dacht je nou echt dat ik gebroken was? Nee toch? Nou kijk eens goed op uit je ogen gast. zonder clic heb je geen kloten tjap... bitch Level: 55  Posts: 1161/1371 EXP: 1240774 For next: 73415 Since: 03-15-04 From: Belgium Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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Well it's about time. He was too sick and all anyway, it's probably better this way. You know, a younger pope would be nice. One that doesn't believe that condoms pass through aids might help  |
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Kario In Possession of a Stolen Shovel Level: 65 Posts: 1685/2082 EXP: 2321379 For next: 14249 Since: 03-15-04 From: Texas... Yeehaw! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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| Something tells me they wont get a 20 year old bishop to be the pope. Something about age and wisdom and everything. What the hell is the condom comment about? It doesnt even make sense. Did you mean aids passes through condoms? In that case, yes actually it does....... |
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Keitaro Iron Knuckle ウラシマ ケイタロウ Level: 54 Posts: 1177/1342 EXP: 1201569 For next: 32301 Since: 03-15-04 From: Hinata, Japan Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Actualy...I remmeber my scripture teacher at school saying he thinks it might be this lsightly younger cardinal who gets to take over...though I'm not sure, and it was just speculation on his end really. |
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