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Posted on 03-01-05 12:20 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Banedon
I know that DOS was stolen from an operating system called QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System), which was in itself a ripoff of CP/M (can't remember what it stands for)...

As I understand, Microsoft actually bought the program, rather than stealing it. And certainly there's no argument that Windows' GUI is good (maybe some don't like it, but you have to admit, it's simple and functional). Windows' problem isn't the GUI, it's the programming.
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Posted on 03-01-05 03:15 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Originally posted by Banedon
I know that DOS was stolen from an operating system called QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System), which was in itself a ripoff of CP/M (can't remember what it stands for)...

As I understand, Microsoft actually bought the program, rather than stealing it. And certainly there's no argument that Windows' GUI is good (maybe some don't like it, but you have to admit, it's simple and functional). Windows' problem isn't the GUI, it's the programming.
Jesus. Microsoft wasn't the first to have a DOS. The Apple II shipped with Apple DOS in the late seventies, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the first DOS out there but I just don't know any other computer with it offhand. Microsoft did indeed buy *their* version from a small Seattle company, but it only goes to show that everyone did DOS dialects these days. A few survived to be around even after MS-DOS; DR-DOS and of course FreeDOS (which arguably didn't survive seeming as how it wasn't started on ).
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Posted on 03-01-05 03:57 PM Link | Quote
Apple DOS was nothing like MS-DOS though...and Commodore DOS was even more different, for instance, the command to format a disk was "N0:NAME OF DISK,ID". And Commodore DOS existed on the actual disk drive, not the computer.
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Posted on 03-01-05 07:52 PM Link | Quote
Back in the time, DOS was a very generic time when disks got cheap. Disk Operating System.

The DOS that most people think of today is based on CP/M. Microsoft bought 86-DOS to develop into MS-DOS (which IBM split at version 1.1 into PC-DOS). It's arguable weather 86-DOS was actually stolen code from CP/M...

Jesper: I don't know where you got your info, but FreeDOS is alive and well. Development is still done by many people... and it's nearing FreeDOS 1.0 (in which their goal of being 100% compatible with MS-DOS 5.0 would be done).
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Posted on 03-01-05 09:13 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Jesper: I don't know where you got your info, but FreeDOS is alive and well.
I'm not saying it isn't alive and well - I'm just saying it's hard for it to "survive" when it didn't even exist!
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Posted on 03-02-05 06:40 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Jesper
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Jesper: I don't know where you got your info, but FreeDOS is alive and well.
I'm not saying it isn't alive and well - I'm just saying it's hard for it to "survive" when it didn't even exist!


umm... are you feeling ok?
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Posted on 03-02-05 06:41 AM Link | Quote
On a lighter note, I saw an article about his death which called him "Mac Daddy".
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Posted on 03-02-05 04:53 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Originally posted by Jesper
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Jesper: I don't know where you got your info, but FreeDOS is alive and well.
I'm not saying it isn't alive and well - I'm just saying it's hard for it to "survive" when it didn't even exist!


umm... are you feeling ok?
Exist when the rest of the DOSes died down in the late eighties? FreeDOS was conceived in the mid-nineties. I'll never try joking with you again.
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Posted on 03-03-05 07:53 AM Link | Quote
Well... I didn't notice any decline in the late eighties, actually I view that period as the very peak of its "empire" I only saw DOS dying down starting from late 1999....

FreeDOS was concieved (original PD-DOS; PD for Public Domain, changed because GPL != public domain) in 1994. It was when John Hall announced to Usenet that the community should make their own free MS-DOS, just as GNU/Linux is a free Unix. This was when Microsoft announced that Windows 95 will be its own operating system without MS-DOS underneath it (and the propoganda was the only evidence they had at the time). FreeDOS (between PD-DOS and FreeDOS, it was Free-DOS) was made because a lot of people just thought DOS to be too great to be gone forever...

Enough talk. Let's discuss Mac OS X in our next week's segment!
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Posted on 03-03-05 08:24 PM Link | Quote
We have segments?

When I said "die down" I meant in number of variants available. A lot of companies had taken the leap to shell extensions for Windows instead. - like those sticking extra buttons in the title bar.
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