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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - General Chat - Jef Raskin, the man behind the Macintosh, dies. |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69  Posts: 2081/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| Jef Raskin started the Macintosh project at Apple but left before it had reached very far. Jef's Wikipedia entry, his homepage and all stories containing Jef on folklore.org, a site about the development on the original Mac. He's not the whole reason why the Mac works the way it works, but he's the reason there ever was a Mac in the first place, and I think that without Jef we wouldn't be doing this today. Jef Raskin would have turned 62 on March 9, 2005. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 8161/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| He died at early age, poor man. Is it known what he did die off? :/ Didn't the Mac change how computers are today in general too? What would have happen with general X86 PC's if it wasn't for Macintosh?  |
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Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81  Posts: 1416/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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| That is pretty sad. All I kew beforehand and before reading some of those pages, was that Mac's definintely changed the way computers themselves "looked", into something actually nice and attractive. (Or something, weird way to put it , of course there's more ... but, just generally speaking ... uh  )But yeah, well he made an impact on our society. |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 2083/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| He died peacefully in his sleep of natural causes. The Mac did change computers - that's why I wrote "I think that without Jef we wouldn't be doing this today". Jef had a habit of trying to claim he invented everything. From what I've seen he did indeed detail a lot of the things in writing, but a few of the things he claims he invented had already been invented previously, like the mouse and some parts of the GUI. |
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Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81 Posts: 1417/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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Originally posted by Jesper Yeah, didn't Microsoft themselves actually invent the first mouse? (I just recently did a paper on MS, for the hell of it, last I remember in a timeline I looked at they were the first to put one out) (edited by Xeogred on 02-27-05 03:20 PM) |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 2085/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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Originally posted by XeogredNo. The first Microsoft mouse came with Windows 1.0, if I recall correctly, and Windows 1.0 came out after the original Mac. Furthermore, it was required to build any sort of GUI, and since there were at least three GUIs available before Apple started doing their own, it kind of goes that the mouse was available before Microsoft put out their version.Originally posted by Jesper |
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Banedon Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 55 Posts: 977/1408 EXP: 1291380 For next: 22809 Since: 03-15-04 From: Michigan Since last post: 101 days Last activity: 90 days |
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| I believe the first GUI was developed by Xerox in the 70's...probably, some other company would release a GUI-based computer in the absence of the Mac (Commodore and Atari were still strong in the computer market when the Mac was released). | |||
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 1479/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I read about this on Slashdot this morning, it's pretty saddening. As for the first GUI, it wasn't Apple that developed it -- you are correct in mentioning Xerox I think.... But as with most things that Apple do, I believe they took that idea and built upon it and built a very accessible and easy to use GUI that... well, let's face it, people fell in love with, and opened up the possibilities of using a Graphical interface rather than a Command Line one. As for his passing, I'm glad that he died in his sleep, it could've been a lot worse, as I heard that it was cancer.  It's heartening to hear that he went peacefully.I shall solemnly raise a glass this evening to this guy. |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 2469/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Apple was the first commercial company to put a GUI interface into their products. Otherwise, the first GUI was the NLS (Online System) which had a chordal (sp?) keyboard and a primitive mouse to be used with a display. I believe that was developed at Xerox Park or SRI. Anyways, condolences goes out to his family. When pioneers start to die, you know the technology has been around for a long time. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 7074/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Apple "stole" or "adopted" the idea from Xerox, depending who you want to believe.  Not sure if they were the first to use a GUI but they were the first to have a successful operating system that used one. |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 2096/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| They certainly didn't steal anything - they even set up visits to go there so that they could get valuable knowledge regarding their own implementation. A few of the Mac programmers were even old Xerox PARC alumni. | |||
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 1485/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Jesper Yeah, that was my understanding of it too. Although I guess people like to refer to software companies "stealing" things. More fun or something. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 7083/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| That's why I put them in quotations - I've heard some people label Apple as thieves. In other words, people who don't know the whole story or who just believed the first thing they heard. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 8178/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| But didn't they still blame Windows on stealing alot of things from Mac OS X? Funny how none blames on people copying off things that Microsoft does nowdays thought. ALthought then, with the patents around... |
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Banedon Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 55 Posts: 985/1408 EXP: 1291380 For next: 22809 Since: 03-15-04 From: Michigan Since last post: 101 days Last activity: 90 days |
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| I know that DOS was stolen from an operating system called QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System), which was in itself a ripoff of CP/M (can't remember what it stands for)... | |||
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 2489/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Kitten YifferHow could Windows steal something from OSX? By saying that, you are saying that OSX no longer has such functionality and can only be found in windows. Copying is a more appropriate term here and both companies do it. Although, because of politics, will look down at Microsoft for doing it and look away if the company isn't Microsoft. |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 2102/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| Kitten Yiffer, it is funny. Most Linux GUIs tries to function as Windows' GUI does since it's a good model - say what you want of Windows, but its GUI isn't badly designed - but yet they like to brush it off and flame Windows a little bit just to keep people from thinking that they agree that there's an area in which Windows fails to suck. | |||
Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 7847/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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He died by natural causes? At that age?  Well, he helped the computer age to a new level of developing. So he did a good thing.  |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 2107/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| Wait; seems he died of pancreatic cancer, which, ironically, Steve Jobs also had last year (although a much more unusual variant which is way easier to cure). It's perfectly possible to die of natural causes at 62, by the way. |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 1188/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| wow... that's sad. Well, no one on Earth can live forever. as for the whole GUI thing, Bill Gates (supposedly) say VisiOn at a demostration and wanted his own company to make a DOS-based GUI. Windows 2.0 ripped a lot of things from the Mac. After lawsuits by Apple, they dressed it down into what Windows 3.0 was. Windows 95 was an original idea, for the most part. It's been debated weather the "X" was a rip from NeXTSTEP or if Microsoft only thought it up without thinking of NeXT. In my opinion, the Windows 95 look and feel (which remains very much unchanged in Windows XP) is simple and it works well. at the same time, the Mac was the first major computer to ship with a graphical operating system. |
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